Posted by SNAKEBITE on April 04, 2000 at 18:43:23:
In Reply to: Re: Thanks to everyone who attended! posted by North Wind on April 04, 2000 at 17:40:02:
: : : Wasn't this the big debate months ago ? Didn't html Bob keep on that this wasn't the case ? Insist it wasn't ? Over and over ? I seem to remember someone saying " It had to be a deal that Nelvana created and handed to PBS for validation and a future market. They make no money from that end of the deal." But , all that has been deleted, hasn't it.
: : Such anger, its not been deleted
: But it has been deleted. I checked . You shouldn't confuse anger with frustration.
Its not in the archives?...
: :, I think Snake was just supportin that point, it just took him a little longer to come along. Maybe your buddy Bob could a least appreciate that.
Thanks, sometimes it takes the right words and the right state of mind for anyone to see a point.
: We can hope.
...I certainly do...hope that is...
: : : And as to your questions about financing, it was a Canadian credit that was supposed to draw productions to Canada (as it apparently did with live action). Not to allow them to ship them out work. Every time a film crew comes to Canada it invests millions in the local economy. This of course is not the case here. Nelvana has perverted it's original intent. Governments tend to rubber stamp things so it is not like anyone knows.
: : Sounds like you support Snakes argument.
: I support his end, maybe not his method. The question was whether picketing KCET was going to stop Canadian tax giveaways. No. That is what has everyone frustrated. Seems to me the tax credits can be gone after. KCET seems to be able to wash their hands of it.
What method is that? The method of adapting?
: : :Why deal or even try to fight against a system that was designed to use you as a number, a bottom line. Why invest in something that is supposed to protect you but makes deals with those threatening you to benefit only themselves, how COULD you possiblly change that, its a whole different animal. .
: Make it hard to make deals. Find what is weak in those deals and exploit them. Question: Is this sending of work overseas what the Canadians intended the money for? Answer: No.
: Exploit this and you kill the deal from the inside. You screw up the entire tax grant system and audits are next. Seems pretty simple. Of benefit to both live and animation.
I really don't think you can stop them by playing their game unless you want to get wrapped up in their politics. Creating is our game and the way to bring the ball in our court again is to quit complaining and get back to the drawing table. You see its in their nature to get their bottom line, thats all they know and if you foil their current plans, they'll just think of new ones with the same monkey boy tactics that you can get wrapped in again, and detour you from doin what you do, and THAT just makes it that much easier for them. Hey, don't think for a second that I don't want to put my boot up their ass and expose them to the world, but thats not gonna help me with what I want to do, I want to create and that is ultimately what will change the state of things, KEEP CREATING...if I really want some consistant money in the mean time I know I can always dig a ditch. Im not sayin be oblivious to your surroundings, just pick and choose your battles.
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