Re: what's with the kiss-up?

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Posted by claire on February 21, 2000 at 06:28:05:

In Reply to: Re: what's with the kiss-up? posted by Sheepie on February 21, 2000 at 01:36:20:

: : is this really necessary?

: Yes.

No. It's not! It was to appease.

: i think that most people
: : on the 'fringe' are far more able to adapt to the
: : present and future changes than are Most in the feature
: : realm.

: Do you think feature animators are bred on some island where they are taught to ignore reality ?

Of course not. My comments were only addressed
toward the tone that Charles specifically used with
Feature Animators. That's all.

They work in the very same business you do.

Yes they do.

The heavy influx of animators to features didn't come from schools but from that very same fringe.
Yes...and no, not necessarily.

Knowing overlap or reversals doesn't make them any different than you.

True, just as i said.

: the true innovators, in any field, usually work
: : outside the conventional way of doing things. just because
: : someone isn't fluent in 'overlapping action' or 'reversals'
: : and the great things that come packaged with feature budgets,
: : doesn't mean that they are any less innovative at all.

: Animation comes in many languages visually.

That's the beauty of it all.

A good animator doesn't make judgements on whether it fits the Disney standard but whether it was effective for that film making.

This is true. As it should be.

: : 'fringe' people, out of necessity will, in fact, probably
: : be pointing the direction. they are better at surviving.

: Ever worked in any major studio ? After you do we can talk about "surviving". The grass is always greener.

Yes I have. Several of them. Lots of very fine people.
And a few really annoying egos too. Overall a great
place to work.
: : it's the big studios that usually discover and promote
: : the smaller, more inventive independents.

: : case in point, aardman animation. pixar was pretty small once
: : to. feature studios now fund these places, and their
: : unique styles, in a big way.

: : so, charles, enough with this nonsense. okay?

: It was not about "kissing up" but about giving equal respect to all artists.

Which is what Charles did in his first comments. The second was as
kiss-up to the feature realm, which was unecessary.

If you think that change can be obtained in all studios by just catering to the fringe alone then you are mistaken.

Never even implied that. Where did you get that?

If what you want is to splinter into factions then it is your right but then eventually you will not be radical enough.

This is a reach. My response to Charles was in an effort
to NOT select one group from another. There are fine,
innovative artists in every realm. And the feature
realm does have very, high standards. It's a great
environment to be in. But most feature conform to
the traditional methods of animation. The big
studios must make films that are profitable, to survive.
And it's getting harder to do that.

If you work at someplace that is successful you will be considered too comfortable.

True. And some get very comfortable. And why shouldn't they?
There's not a thing wrong with that. I have observed more
innovation and advancement of our artform, from outside
the realm of feature animation. But there is innovation that
takes place there too. I wouldn't begin to deny that.

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