Posted by SNAKEBITE on February 17, 2000 at 14:12:55:
In Reply to: Re: tainted? posted by Sheepie on February 17, 2000 at 13:49:28:
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: : : : : The importance of the site depends on whether you get people to relate to the industries problems and agree on solutions. What you are doing by insulting them is alienating them , not motivating them. Being a defeatist is giving up , which sounds like what you are doing. If the action isn't what you want then it isn't right and people are sheep.
: : : : : Answering with "Baaa Baaa" seems to defeat the purpose of any discussion. Of course if that is all you are willing to do then you have made your stance quite clear. I know it's frustrating not to have people agree with everything you say but then was that really the point of all this ? Was it not to discuss ? Warriors and sheep talking ? This you will have to explain to me. What was the point ?
: : : : You apparently have not been at this site long,
: : : Long enough.
: : ...And yet here you are again...
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: : : : haven't done your due diligence, don't take good notes all that and then some...not that Charles needs anyone to speak on his behalf, but I just need to address the issue that no one else on this board has posted more valid points, points that the corporate powers that be do not want you to realize, has anyone challenged your thought on the state of things more consistantly than he, have you?
: : : Yes. Everyday. This isn't a new problem by any means.
: : ...yes, you aren't...
: I'm an animator. I'm confronted with this everyday.
... educated and yet you still only have questions...
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: : : : Unless you have many Identities, Elvis?,Milker is that you?
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: : : Aren't we all just "sheep" ?
: : ...not I, said the Snake...
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: : : , your current name is new to me and yet you have all these expectations on this site, what have you brought to the table
: : : Questions.
: : ...everyone has questions, not everyone has answers, and if don't like the ones presented before you think of ones yourself...
: I have but I dont call those who dont agree with me "sheep".
..bust out the solutions and you won't fit the sheep catagory...
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: : : :, besides your sensitivity, did he touch a nerve?
: : : No, it made me ask what anyone would ask. Anyone.
: : ..so know YOU speak for anyone and everyone?..
: No, I ask questions that "anyone " would. Nothing more.
..again, stated above...
: : : :, did he hit a lil' too close to home?, I bet he did.
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: : : Naw, sorry but it did do something for me.It clued me in on a another agenda. Someones, personal agenda? Tell me, does that hit close to home ?
: : ...you walked in the front door, so far the ONLY ones with agenda's are the corporate Shepards, wouldn't you like a new one?...
: I know their agenda. They are obvious. The question is what is Charles agenda. I find the call for independance and self relience inspiring but the slams and name calling less than worthy.
...whats your agenda, we ALL have one...
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: : : : Theres nothing defeatest about his attitude, he will take the road that most are affraid to take ,
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: : : You had better be sure they were "afraid" to take those roads. You might be missing something. People try to destroy what they are afraid of.
: : ...case in point, you...
: Death, taxes and flying. I have no fear of talking about the animation industry, no. Asking questions is hardly "destroying" anything.
...its not the questions its the sensitivity...
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: : : : the one thing I have certainly learned from C is that success comes from doin what other Mo'Fo's won't...Its very unfortunate , your perspective of his "stance" that is, whats even more unfortunate is that you have not a clue as to what your talkin about.
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: : : Look Snakebite, you better be pretty sure that it's sheep you are dealing with before you start pronouncing them such. Because he does what others dont doesnt give him any kind power over nature. When subtle suggestions turn into rampant attacks at people it pretty well clues things in for me. Questions are not a problem bro, attacks are.
: : ...we are dealin with Monkeys and tryin' to wake up the sheep, Im not sure about that whole nature thing, the suggestion have been anything but "subtle" and as far as attacks , you think C is attacking you? I think you're just supportin' his point about fellow artist turnin their backs on too radical of an idea, Us, the artist takin' responsibility for the state of things that is.
: What BULLSHIT!!!!!! Radical ideas don't include calling people names because they do not agree with everything you say ! It's childish.
..so who was he talkin too?, you think that this is about people not agreeing with him, this about whats goin on around him, wittnessing his brethren gettin walked over and no one is doin a thing to turn it around, cuz everyone wants to be "realistic".
:As for turning my back on anyone I'm here STILL. I have no idea what Charles is going on about there. Neither I nor anyone I know has kept anyone out of anywhere for "radical" ideas. You mistake the difference between asking Charles to speak with equal respect and turning your back on him.
...the mere fact that he has opened a place of education and shares his experience and artistic knowledge with anyone that signs up shows more respesct to the industry and the cause than your whinny ass could ever...
: : : ..Nothing, he has to explain to you, if you haven't crasped the point by now...you probably won't.
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: : : Perhaps I grasp more than you think Snakebite, or whatever your other names are. Point is bro you start insulting the flock and your knives have turned on the people you were trying to convince. Welcome to the sheep.
: : ..yeah your graspin something and I think it takes too much time out of your day. I have two names, the one my mother gave me and the one I use...and by the way we're not tryin to "convince" anyone, the ones that get it, get it and the ones who don't get all sensitive. If you don't like the solutions here on this board theres nothing stoppin you from not typin' www.animationnation.com.
: Oh, I get it. Have questions, maybe don't hold the same ideals,want to be treated like a human being ? .
OOOOHHHH treat me like a human being, somebody, anybody? WOW... man, your energy is totally misplaced, why don't use that one on the people who have made you sheep..
:Get lost bud. Groovy Snakebite. Message recieved, bro
Im found, sounds like you're lost and I don't think your mental receiver is up to catch the message, Bro'.
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