Americans Can and Do Compete

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Posted by Bob on December 27, 1999 at 10:46:05:

In Reply to: Why should American taxpayers fund foreign labor? (format corrected) posted by Bob on December 27, 1999 at 10:25:58:

: : Posted by Dave on October 20, 1999 at 15:17:23:

: : In Reply to: But there is a difference posted by Bob on October 19, 1999 at 21:30:12:

Dear friends:

In a previous post, I made the statement that U.S. studios are capable of producing animation at competitive rates, and cited the studios that are doing so. Moreover, in keeping with the philosophy that Charles advocates at this website, I believe American artists can be paid more and still be competitive.

Now, take a look at Dave's remarks, which I've highlighted in green. Note that Dave sides with the pseudo-producers into believing that artists have to work at the same wage as the Koreans. And despite the evidence I provided, Dave believes American studios aren't competing with foreign studios.

My latest response is in bold.

: That is the point isn't it. Are you telling me you are willing to animate it here Bob ? Go ahead, commit. You are willing to do it here for the same price as the Koreans ? Are you committing to that ? Because if you aren't then everything you have said is a waste. All you jockying for position is all baloney.

Not at all. Ask Tom Sito when he animated for TV if he was paid the same as a Korean. Ask Glen Keane. Ask Milton Gray. Ask Mark Kirkland. Ask Mark Kausler. Then ask any animator at the studios that I've listed if they're paid the same wage as the Koreans. The answer may surprise you. Then you can eat your own baloney.

: If it were able to be done here it would have been.

Actually it has been, and is now. I cited the studios that are doing it as proof.

: They sent it overseas because YOU will not do it for the same price.

Why are you siding with the pseudo-producers? That is what they want you to think. Educate yourself beginning with this link.

Now for you I will explain this. THERE ARE NO ARTISTS LEFT AT NELVANA, EVERYTHING IS OVERSEAS INCLUDING POSING FOR LAYOUTS. There IS NO CANADIAN LABOUR. Savvy ? Unless you are truly willing to animate it here than all this is bull. PBS only can make it clear why.

: : Either way you can just ship it in bags to Korea.
: :

: : : Nonsense. There are U.S. studios who are just as capable as producing animation at competitive rates.

: Apparently not.

Apparently so. I prove it with the next paragraph. It should occur to you that if these businesses couldn't compete against foreign suppliers, then they would not be in business. Therefore, they are successful. All of them use domestic talent.

: ;Little Wolf Films in Texas. Perennial Films in Indiana. Character Builders in Ohio. Cornerstone in Alta Dena, California. Foundation Imaging in Valencia, California. Netter Digital Entertainment in North Hollywood. I'll add Will Vinton's studio, as well. Union studios can do it too by following the suggestions advocated by Charles at this website.

: I am more than interested to see this proved.

In addition to the proof I gave you in the above paragraphs, you prove it yourself with your next statement.

: You left out Startoons in Chicago which seems to be the only studio ever to be able to run with Korea.

Wrong. The studios I listed above are doing it too.

: Of the studios mentioned I know none care to do low budget work.

Neither do the Koreans.

Most are looking for feature.

So are the Koreans. So what?

: :
: : Like it matters. There is no Canadian crew at Nelvana to benifit from any "windfall". Why is it to me, this all seems so pathetic.
: :
: : That's a good question. You object to American studios outsourcing to the Pacific Rim but not to American outsourcing to Canada? Now who is employing a double standard?
: :
: That is baloney of course. I could care less if work goes to the rim nor do I care if it goes to Canada to be shipped to the rim. Either way it goes to the rim.

No, it does not. If you believe that, you give up too easily.

: If someone wants to ship it from here YAHOO!!!!

I am not advocating that at all. I prefer domestic production.

: Unless there is an American company that is willing to do it for the same cost this entire discussion can lead to nothing. Now the proof.

Already done. Read the above.

Go to PBS and demand to put in a bid. Stop the process. Do it. I am willing to wait. If it can be done here do it should.

Thank you. Now write PBS and tell them not to fund foreign labor.

Here are contacts for you to write to:

Beth Wolfe
Executive Vice President and Chief Administrative Officer
Public Broadcasting Service
1320 Braddock Place
Alexandria, VA 22314-1698

Robert T. Coonrod
Corporation for Public Broadcasting
901 E St. NW
Washington, DC 20004

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