Posted by Dave on October 19, 1999 at 12:30:37:
In Reply to: Re: BIDDING posted by sam on October 18, 1999 at 21:39:24:
Thanks for posting this Sam.
: concerning the PBS thing, as you've been discussing with 'mako' whom i know very well
: is that, yes! u.s. studios can send things overseas. PBS does tell their patrons
: that 'their money' is working for them. that becomes more of a PBS accountability issue than
: one directed toward canadians.
And should be. Most of PBS has been dominated in part by BBC British series work and I doubt the British contribute a dime.
:according to what you have stated, nelvana has had a good working relationship with PBS for years. and if that's
: the case, then why go anywhere else?
Well I dont see where Nelvana really even suits the "quality entertainment " requirements that PBS professes even beyond accountability or some past relationship. That to me is a mystery in itself.
as far as contributions go; hmmm. let's see canada has like...25million and the u.s. has like...250million. all right. i guess it's the thought that counts, eh?
I dont know. Are you saying it was a waste to send them my thousand over the years ? This of course before I made any real money to speak of but I felt they provided some of the best programming out there and felt a responsability despite the border. Most stations work within a broadcast area so it would depend on that PBS station where their revenue comes from. It might make more of a difference to those that need the extra revenue . More than you think. Of course, if you take PBS as a whole you cannot argue the US population. I don't know Sam. You tell me. It is not often I am belittled over a population I have no control of. Despite that I feel no regret for my contribution. When I made it I was contributing as a viewer and not as my assigned label. Silly me.
: our 'artist owned' company, little wolf entertainment, was asked to bid on the 'osmosis jones' project. little wolf and another studio that i've collaborated with on projects, to show
: a larger workforce and more resources to draw from. together we put together a competitive bid, taking in mind the canadian dollar factor. as i would have guessed, the contract was awarded to
: a canadian studio.
Well, actually I am at Warners and from what I know they are taking on more than one (like four) and that only one is solid (maybe). Even so they have no start date. I think you are being asked to bid because it isn't over.
now what should be noted about this situation is that we were told that the decision was made based on 'experience' and 'financial' concerns. as far as i can gather, our experience level is no less than the studio to which it was awarded.
I'm not sure if that is totally true since the owners of Yowza , Roger and Claude Chaisson are not only the most experienced animators/clean key I know but Roger is a LA Disney animator and Claude is one of the best keys I have ever worked with ever. Ever. Here, there Ireland, France , Spain, , Germany, US. I dont know anyone who is comparable in Claudes case. And that is from personal experience. That doesn't mean that the contract should be awarded on that basis but it may have influenced it. Again. I dont think this is over yet.
AND....WB had not even received our quotes yet. so how could they base
: the decision on financial considerations? i purposely put together a bid that would be competitive...even with a canadian dollar.
What I do know besides there in no start date for outside studios is that there must be more than one. Did they say it was over ?
: the issue of 'experience' was interesting too. although others took complete credit for these events, i was the primary person responsible for the first 'feature' contracts to be awarded to a texas studio. the first was space jam and according to the producer of that movie, our studio was rated #1 among ALL the other satellite studios that contributed to that film. other films that were done at that studio represented, at minimum, the same caliber of artistic ability. i started little wolf and our first contract out of the gate was 'anastasia'. and our work was well received there too. i am also a regular contributor to animated spots for warner classics, even though there's no shortage of laid off animation talent in LA. so the 'experience' issue that was brought to me at WB feature seems to be more 'smoke' than anything else. i was also told that decisions in the direction of the canadian studio had been well underway even before the bidding process began. this is what i was told. i don't have much more to go by than this.
Myself I wasn't here so I do not know what when on before production. I'm not sure why that would be the case given that there were other studios listed on the production board awaiting start dates. Why would they have decided on Yowza ? If quality, experience and price were equal, why ?
: so why were we even asked to bid then? maybe you can lend some insight.
As I said , my take is Yowza may have been one of the first on but I do not think they are the last. Did they tell you that all bidding was over ?
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