Re: Jon and Dave discuss life in the big city.

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Posted by Dave on June 08, 1999 at 02:11:16:

In Reply to: Re: Jon and Dave discuss life in the big city. posted by Jonny on June 07, 1999 at 12:50:26:

: TV animation is a bread-and-butter industry ... "Davey". It ain't the same as feature, but a good feature animator should be able to rely on it for jobs between feature gigs.

Well I agree and Iím not one of those feature only snobs. There is a difference in time vs footage so itís really just the situation.

: You say I'm living in the past trying to recapture some of that bread-and-butter industry. So far we've only managed to recapture 30 jobs. So obviously we can't do it alone.

No, I think I said that you think this is all about money. You and I BOTH know that isnít true. Kids you hire there obviously have aspirations beyond that part of animation. Hey look, I think itís a great strat for animators. I totally agree with you on that. They can learn the basics but when they get to a point they want more you have to accept that they will leave.

: Definitely hard being the head of my own studio. Frankly, I would like nothing better than for the MPSC to put me out of business.

Well, I dont think they are interested in that. And I think you can evolve. I think you arenít as locked into this the way you think. You obviously have talent and enthusiasm. I think you just have to face what they (studios) have made this job.

: But since they haven't even tried, I'm curious to see if there's anybody out your way who would also like to recapture some of those jobs. Obviously you don't.

No, it just means we are may not want particular jobs. Ones that dont use American animators to advantage. They are hard to find but they exist.

: At least two people reading our exchanges have written to inquire about getting work. Not everybody is in a secure situation, apparently.

Absolutely not. In fact you will probably find people who LOVE service work. And oddly enough do it incredibly well. Those are the people who seem to thrive in it. There are more than a few.

: Talk to my ex-employees before you decide I haven't walked in their shoes. The fact is, if you're going to be a part of the current animation situation, you need to be in LA, where it's all happening. We're trying to CHANGE the current situation. I don't blame people for not having the patience to wait out that process. But I would like to get some people excited about the possibilities.

Nothing wrong with that either. You arenít asking too much Jon. You really arenít, but when it comes to animators you have to let them grow, even if itís away from Startoons. You might be surprised who comes back later the easier you do that. Grass is always greener dont you know.

: I simply believe there is life outside the union. You say there's life INSIDE the union. In both realms, we're unsatisfied. First one to find a real answer, wins. Good luck to ya, Dave.

Both have advantages. If we come to that assumption then maybe equal ground is the best we should hope for. That as a non union shop you have freedoms we might not. Even being in your city is an advantage over LA. Itís expensive here. That is a fact. I cant see why both canít exist together. Both affect each other. Raise the bar both ways. Make us smarter. I want the union to offer you a way in. Where you and yours can work towards the future without feeling trapped. Itís hard to run small businesses, it is. The union reps I know DO know that. Urging a joining is fine, forcing is out. Captive workers makes no sense to me. Inducing suffering for the sake of expanding a powerbase is not what the union was formed for. Benefiting itís members by negotiating a fair base for employment is (a future). Evolution for both is necessary. Here is our chance to do that. Mutual respect is a good start.

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