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DreamWorks, Pixar, Disney colluded in wage fixing

Postby Charles » Tue Jul 08, 2014 12:37 pm

Here's an article of interest to the animation community.

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REVEALED: Court docs show role of Pixar and Dreamworks Animation in Silicon Valley wage-fixing cartel

By Mark Ames
On July 7, 2014

Just when the tech giants behind the Silicon Valley “Techtopus” wage fixing cartel thought the worst was behind them, US District Judge Lucy Koh has thrown a surprise twist — refusing for now to give her seal of approval to the $324 million class action settlement.

Judge Koh has suggested the agreed settlement might be too low, but there are whispers that Koh is frustrated at being denied the chance to preside over what would have been one of the most interesting and significant Big Tech court cases ever (a frustration shared by this particular journalist and at least one of the plaintiffs in the case, Michael Devine).

But while the class action suit continues to grind towards a conclusion, there remain plenty of revelations as yet unreported from the depositions and court documents.

For one thing, most of the previous attention in the case was focused on the behavior of executives at Apple and Google. What hasn’t been fully explored is the involvement of major and minor Hollywood studios that are alleged to have been party to the same illegal cartel. The wage-fixing cartel originated with Pixar and Lucasfilm, two northern California computer animation film studios now under Disney’s roof.

Disney, in particular, has received very little public scrutiny over its own role in the Techtopus, an oversight which is made all the more troubling by the fact that the company’s CEO, Robert Iger, is now heading a campaign to increase the number of foreign tech workers coming to America, using a dubious study to promote its cause.

In May, just days after the $324 million Techtopus settlement was reached, a major industry-funded report was published, claiming that more H-1B visas should be issued to foreign tech workers. This, they argued, would lead to higher wages for everyone in the tech industry. The report was funded by the Partnership for a New American Economy a powerful union of CEOs, founded by billionaire media oligarchs Michael Bloomberg (worth $34.4 billion) and Rupert Murdoch (worth $14.3 billion), and co-chaired by tech oligarch Steve Ballmer ($21 billion) and Disney CEO Iger, last year’s second highest-paid CEO ($34.3 million).

We’ve already reported on the shocking testimony and private email exchanges between tech superstars like Steve Jobs and Eric Schmidt, but actually some of the most alarming and revealing testimonies in this case, during the pre-trial period, belong to the two initiators: George Lucas, the Obi-Wan Kenobi of the wage fixing cartel; and his Pixar counterpart, Ed Catmull. Through their testimonies, we learn the names of other major and minor Hollywood studios that are alleged to have been party to the same illegal cartel, including Disney itself, after it became Pixar’s parent company in January 2006 — and Dreamworks Animation, whose name repeatedly pops up as a participant in depositions and emails.
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Dreamworks’ Jeffrey Katzenberg: The Techtopus pulls in Obama

A secret no-poach agreement between Pixar and Dreamworks Animation would be particularly remarkable given the company’s famed fierce rivalry in almost all other areas. Even more significantly, the participation of Dreamworks Animation in an illegal wage-fixing cartel would take the politics of this story to a new level, considering the mega-millions in campaign donations that Dreamworks’ CEO Jeffrey Katzenberg has shoveled into the Obama campaign.

Katzenberg, a former Disney chairman from 1984 through 1994, was by some counts President Obama’s single most important moneyman in the 2012 race against Mitt Romney. Last year, Mother Jones dubbed Katzenberg “The New George Soros,” having raised some $30 million to reelect President Obama. It was Jeffrey Katzenberg who first seeded the Obama SuperPac, Priorities USA, with a $2 million check. And it was was Katzenberg who organized the infamous A-list Hollywood fundraiser at George Clooney’s house in the spring of 2012, netting the Obama campaign $15 million in one dinner sitting (Katzenberg “directed” Obama to personally make the rounds at each dinner table.)

Katzenberg’s political fundraising has served his own interests well, such as when Vice President Joe Biden lobbied China’s current leader, Xi Jingping, to open up China’s markets to Hollywood — and to Katzenberg’s Dreamworks Animation in particular. The result: Oriental DreamWorks, a massive movie animation operation and $2.4 billion “DreamCenter” that will dwarf its Hollywood operations.

Katzenberg also serves as the liaison between the White House and Hollywood studio interests, and between Hollywood, Silicon Valley and the White House, playing go-between during the ugly battle to pass Hollywood’s pet SOPA bill, which Obama ultimately helped kill. Katzenberg reportedly did not lobby Obama to support SOPA; but when the bill died, it was Katzenberg who directed Obama’s rapprochement with Hollywood studio heads.
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Postby Charles » Tue Jul 08, 2014 12:40 pm

More juicy tidbits...

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Court docs clearly show Dreamworks Animation’s involvement in Techtopus

Private emails sent by Pixar’s president and co-founder, Ed Catmull, and found by Pando amongst court documents, clearly state that Katzenberg’s Dreamworks Animation was party to the same secret non-solicitation agreements that the Department of Justice deemed were illegal antitrust violations that served to suppress workers’ wages. Catmull’s deposition in 2013 for the class action lawsuit further demonstrates that Dreamworks Animation was party to the illegal wage theft conspiracy.

For example, in February 2004, Catmull emailed Steve Jobs — who served simultaneously as CEO of Pixar and Apple — to complain about Sony Pictures chiseling in on the computer animation business and not playing by the rules. Which, as Catmull wrote to Jobs, meant Sony was trying to poach Pixar’s tech specialists by offering them higher pay: “Sony has approached all of our producers trying to hire them. They all just ignored Sony,” Catmull wrote Jobs, explaining:


“We don’t have a no raid arrangement with Sony. We have set up one with ILM [Lucasfilm] and Dreamworks which has worked quite well.”


Catmull tells Jobs he plans to visit Sony’s animation people, to rope them into the wage-fixing cartel:


“I probably should go down and meet with [REDACTED] and Sony to reach some agreement. Our people are become [sic] really desirable and we need to nip this in the bud.”
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Postby Charles » Tue Jul 08, 2014 12:42 pm

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In January 2006, Disney bought Pixar for $7.4 billion in an all-stock deal that turned Pixar’s largest shareholder, Steve Jobs, into Disney’s largest shareholder with a 7% stake, and the media conglomerate’s most powerful new board director.

The following year, 2007, Ed Catmull — now a Disney executive — disclosed in a private email to the chairman of Disney at that time, Dick Cook, that Pixar-Disney was still maintaining its secret wage-fixing agreement with Dreamworks Animation, as well as with Lucasfilm and other smaller computer animation studios, and that Disney’s newest partner, Bob Zemeckis’ animation studio ImageMovers, was violating the non-solicitation cartel’s agreement by raiding one of its members, Dreamworks Animation:


From: Ed Catmull

To: Cook, Dick

Sent: Sun Jan 14 2007

Subject: Zemeckis

Dick,

Regardless of what John thinks about motion capture, we have a serious problem brewing.

The HR folks from the CG studios had their annual get together in the bay area last week. At that time, we learned that the company that Zemeckis is setting up in San Rafael has hired several people away from Dreamworks at a substantial salary increase….

I know that Zemeckis’ company will not target Pixar, however, by offering higher salaries to grow at the rate they desire, people will hear about it and leave. We have avoided wars up in Norther [sic] California because all of the companies up here – Pixar, ILM [Lucasfilm], Dreamworks, and couple of smaller places – have conscientiously avoided raiding each other.

At the very least, I would like the kind of relationship that Pixar has with Disney in that people cannot be considered to move back and forth. However, even raiding other studios has very bad long term consequences [i.e., drives up wages and hurts profits—M.A.]

To which Disney’s chairman replied:

“I agree. We will reaffirm our position again. As for Pixar or Disney, they absolutely know they are off limits.”
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In another email in March 2007, Catmull once again reiterated Pixar-Disney’s no-poaching deal with Dreamworks Animation:

“While we do not act to prevent people from moving between studios, we have an agreement with Dreamworks not to actively pursue each others employees. I have certainly told our recruiters not to approach any Dreamworks employees. Either you had not been informed or the policy has changed. If the policy has changed then please let me know.

This last email was read out in Catmull’s deposition, taken in early 2013. Catmull was pressed by the plaintiffs’ attorneys to explain what he meant in these emails, and if he was referring to wages and labor costs. After hemming and hawing, Catmull finally came clean:

CATMULL: Well, them hiring a lot of people at much higher salaries would have a negative effect in the long-term.

Q: On pay structure?

CATMULL: Well, I’m just saying that if they — I don’t know what you mean by pay structure. The — for me I just — it means the pay. All right? If the pay goes way up in an industry where the margins are practically nonexistent, it will have a negative effect.

Right then, Catmull’s attorney cut him off:

Ms. HENN: Counsel, this might be a good time for a break.

Although we have no indication yet that Obama’s Department of Justice pursued what appears to be clear executive evidence that Jeffrey Katzenberg, Obama’s biggest fundraiser, was involved in the largest wage-fixing cartel in history, the plaintiffs’ attorney from Lieff Cabraser, Richard Heimann, did manage to press Pixar’s Catmull for more details about his deal with Katzenberg’s company, Dreamworks Animation.

Catmull, like so many other tech executives in this story, tried to pin all blame on Steve Jobs’ dead shoulders:

Q: In the email you wrote, “While we do not act to prevent people from moving between studios, we have an agreement with Dreamworks not to actively pursue each others employees. I have certainly told our recruiters not to approach any Dreamworks employees. Either you had not been informed or the policy has changed. If the policy has changed then please let me know.” First of all, do you recall this incident at all?

CATMULL: No.

Q. Was it correct that you had an agreement with Dreamworks not to actively pursue each other’s employees?

CATMULL: The only recollection I have was that conversation with Steve [Jobs] that he had talked with Jeffrey [Katzenberg], and I don’t know what he said.

Q. Well, is it correct that at the time you wrote this, you thought that you had an agreement with Dreamworks not to actively pursue each other’s employees?

CATMULL: Well, I told this person that.

Q. Well, you weren’t lying to him

CATMULL: No. I said I told that person this.

Q: So that was your belief at the time?

CATMULL: My belief at the time was that Steve had talked with them, that we weren’t actively going after each other.


As PandoDaily has previously reported, Steve Jobs was the key figure who brought the original wage-fixing cartel from the rarified world of movie computer animation into Silicon Valley’s big leagues, strong-arming Google, Adobe, and others into joining the illegal conspiracy, which then took on a life of its own. In 1986, a year after Apple fired Jobs, he financed Pixar’s spin-off from Lucasfilm, and eventually took over the company.

Through these central figures in the wage-fixing cartel, you get a sense of how powerful Silicon Valley grew in relation to Hollywood from the time Jobs took over the struggling Pixar in the mid-1980s, to Jobs’ triumphant sale to Disney two decades later, making him Disney’s largest shareholder and most powerful board member. You also get a sense of how the two leading California industries’ interests have quietly meshed in ways we aren’t exposed to: common interests in keeping their employees’ wage costs down, so that profits and company valuations continue to soar; common interests that arise across industries, when wealth and corporate power concentrates in fewer and fewer hands, as revealed in the overlapping relationships on boards of directors, relationships that allow for secret wage-theft deals to be cut…and we learn that these common interests appear to outweigh areas where Big Tech and Big Hollywood publicly clash, such as the much-hyped rancor over the SOPA bill.

In the next article on the Hollywood-tech origins of the Techtopus, we’ll reveal more about the role of George Lucas, who spent decades couching illegal suppression of his workers’ wages in the language of “ethics” and “responsibility” and ended up selling Lucasfilm in 2012 to Disney, in exchange for becoming a Disney’s second-largest shareholder after the estate of Steve Jobs, or the largest living shareholder, with about four and a half billion dollars in Disney stock.

By George Lucas’ own deposition testimony, those billions he made were only possible by illegally and secretly conspiring to fix his tech employees’ wages and job mobility.

We’ll also show how Lucas couldn’t have kept Lucasfilm afloat all those years without controlling and manipulating his employees’ incomes and lives for the worse. To have played fair, Lucas argued, would be unfair to everyone, not to mention irresponsible.

Oh, and we’ll also tell you what happened when Catmull flew to meet with representatives from Sony to persuade them to join the cartel. Spoiler: It didn’t quite go according to plan.

Stay tuned.



Pando contacted Disney, Pixar, Dreamworks Animation and the Department of Justice prior to publication. Only the Justice Department and Dreamworks Animation responded although neither has yet provided comment for publication.


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Postby SNAKEBITE » Tue Jul 08, 2014 2:07 pm

Hasn't this been an issue with the aware art community? Haven't we been talking about this forever? I even remember stories told by Charles and Philip Felix about how they would set pay scale precedents just to watch Union standard bring it down...

Which leads me to ask...Where was the Union in all this? How could they fix pay scales without the Union being hip to this? hmmmmmm more corruption?
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Postby Greg B » Thu Jul 10, 2014 10:26 pm

Bwahahahahaaaa! You guys can't blame Michael Eisner for this one!

Just look at the list of players here. The big shot liberal heroes of entertainment and computing and all along they were screwing over artists in every direction imaginable. Pointing the finger at anything conservative but all the while the biggest snakes in the grass. Sure explains a lot and told you guys this was coming a long time ago.

The lawsuits that can spring from this story are biblical in proportion. If these execs pulled this there's no telling what else they've done like swiping ideas, blacklisting, who knows what.

Where's Spielberg and Gates in all this. How much did they know if any at all?

We should all send a letter of thanks to Chief Eric Holder of the Dept.of Justice and his staff for doing a job others feared to do.

All I know is I can go to sleep with a clean conscience and so can lots of others here on the AN board.
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Re: DreamWorks, Pixar, Disney colluded in wage fixing

Postby SNAKEBITE » Fri Jul 11, 2014 12:28 am

DUN DUN DUN!!!

sure, decent...when you're getting rich off everyone it's easy to be decent...lol


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Pixar and Disney Animation president Ed Catmull has always had a reputation as a decent person, but newly revealed court documents show that he’s been working against the interests of Pixar’s employees for years, as well as trying to hurt other animation studios who didn’t play by his rules. The documents in question are from last year’s civil class-action suit against high-tech companies. (The lawsuit, which included Pixar and Lucasfilm as defendants, was the result of a 2010 U.S. Department of Justice anti-trust action.)

Catmull’s deposition and emails from the lawsuit confirm that he was instrumental in operating a secret wage-theft cartel that violated the Sherman Antitrust Act. But it’s even worse than you think. The cartel orchestrated in large part by Catmull robbed potential wages and job opportunities from thousands of animation industry workers at other studios, including DreamWorks, Lucasfilm, Robert Zemeckis’ ImageMovers, the now-defunct Orphanage, and Walt Disney Animation Studios.

Pando Daily’s Mark Ames published a piece about the documents earlier this week. Ames followed up today with another hard-hitting piece about Catmull’s callous disregard for the law in the name of profit.

Catmull’s attempts to bring Sony into his cartel are documented in today’s piece. When Sony was first starting up their animation studio to produce Open Season, they actively recruited artists from Pixar. Their actions were both fair and legal, and benefitted employees whose wages and benefits could increase by moving to Sony. Catmull’s response to Sony, however, was illegal.

He flew to Los Angeles in 2004 to meet with Sony’s animation co-presidents Penney Finkelman Cox and Sandy Rabins and encourage them to fix their employees’ wages and limit career opportunities. (Another bombshell: John Lasseter was both aware of and supported some of Catmull’s illegal activities.) Sony, to their credit, declined to participate in the wage-fixing syndicate and continued to recruit freely.

Catmull, however, didn’t forget. In 2007, after Pixar had been purchased by Disney, he told Disney Studios president Alan Bergman and Disney’s head of HR, Marjorie Randolph, that he hoped other studios in his cartel would punish Sony:

“Just this last week, we did have a recruiter working for ILM [Lucasfilm] approach some of our people. We called to complain and the recruiter immediately stopped. This kind of relationship has helped keep the peace in the Bay Area and it is important that we continue to use restraint.

“Now that Sony has announced their intentions with regard to selling part of their special effects business, and given Sony’s extremely poor behavior in its recruiting practices, I would feel very good about aggressively going after Sony people.”

Catmull was questioned about the email in his deposition:

Q: You were cheering on somebody else to go after Sony?

CATMULL: I was pissed at them. That is true.

As Catmull and other Pixar honchos and Disney got richer and richer during the CG feature animation boom, the employees’ salaries at Pixar and beyond were being artificially controlled through illegal means. With these documents, we now know that DreamWorks and Disney also undermined free market principles by colluding to restrict their employees’ wages and job opportunities. These revelations extend beyond the scope of the class-action suit, which is in the process of being settled with a paltry $9 million slap on the wrist for Pixar and Lucasfilm.

Studios like DreamWorks and Disney are union outfits, and the Animation Guild, which represents animators, has stated on Twitter that they “are consulting legal counsel to see what can be done.” The Guild’s business representative Steve Hulett hasn’t minced words, writing on their blog that “when a group of wealthy executives get together to make sure that market forces don’t perform as they might, well, people suffer. (Mostly people that have to pay rent and meet a mortgage.)”

Pando Daily has promised more coverage of the animation wage-theft cartel.
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Postby SNAKEBITE » Fri Jul 11, 2014 12:33 am

The Union chimes in with a profound
“are consulting legal counsel to see what can be done.”

bwahahahaha seriously? how did they not know? wow

Hey, what it comes down to is who we are as a community. Do we even want to know? what would artists really do now that they know...

THis is nothing new to us. Charles always shared stories with me about how he and cats like Philip Felix use to set pay scale precedents and it being squashed by certain attitudes. I saw how they fixed wages in every field I worked in...it's called brain washing with fear...happens on many levels...let the artist keep the status quo...its really quite brilliant. RIch people get to play rich people games and the working class executes the orders...a classic story. I'm sure we've seen it a couple times in Disney movies...
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Postby Charles » Fri Jul 11, 2014 2:20 am

Greg, it's great to see the most corrupt Attorney General in US history on top of something as important as artists pay in the animation biz. Glad he's got his priorities straight. Good to know that this comes before Benghazi, the Veterans Administration scandal, the IRS scandal, the 5 Taliban for 1 deserter scandal, the immigration scandal, the banksters, and every other lie that comes from the mouth of this president.

And to go after DreamWorks! One of Obama's biggest contributors. That takes some real courage.

The animation union? They couldn't find their way out of an open end of a paper bag. This is an organization consisting of members so apathetic that 80% of them don't bother to vote in their elections or in ratifying their own labor contract.

But that's okay cuz Comic Con is coming and then there's the CTN eXpo so everyone can fawn over these guys.

Sorry if I sound jaded and disillusioned. The community of studio work for hire animation artists are not a big inspiration to me. I admire what they do creatively but that's about it.

Best of luck and I hope things turn out favorably for the good guys whoever they are.
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Postby Greg B » Fri Jul 11, 2014 4:45 am

Now hold on Charles!

Holder is nowhere near the level of corruption of previous DoJ bosses. He doesn't even measure taller than the doll at the start of the ride.

Believe me, I know.

As for going after Obama's top supporters,yes, they had to and the conservatives should take note of this. People have been complaining about Disney, Dreamworks, for years. Just look at AN's board history. We all stuck our necks out to get animators better jobs and opportunities. We got to see who were the real heroes and who were the traitors and kiss-assers. Now we come to find out that the bigshots who run these companies and lambasted Michael Eisner were doing things far more evil? These so-called heroes of the underclass? When Sean Hannity and the rest get wind of this there is going to be a shitstorm dropped on Spielberg, Bill Gates, Geffen, and the rest and there's no excuse to say they didn't know what was going on.

How is this going to affect Lucasfilm, Marvel? Depends on the lawsuits filed by everyone who has been effected and it could mean 10,000 people or more. Soon as the s*** hits the fan, and stockholders are left holding the bag you'll see people ratting each other out left and right.

This just goes to show you that these people thought by putting Obama in office they could do what they wanted. Right now our news bureau chiefs are pounding me with questions about this story so get ready to keep an eye on the markets as it gets pressured not to talk about it. Why? Because Disney is a juggernaut now with Star Wars, Marvel, PIXAR, Disney library under its belt and stockholders are making out great with the biggest gains in Wall St. history.

btw, where's Katzenberg in all this?

I have no idea what the IATSE or Guild is going to do with this and if I were any of you slighted I'd get my own lawyers and look at options which is probably what is going on now.
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Postby Charles » Fri Jul 11, 2014 11:49 am

If there's ever been an attorney general more corrupt than Eric Holder I'd like to know who they are or were. Maybe corruption is inherent in that position I don't know. If that's the case he's doing a fine job of keeping up the tradition.

The animation union is incapable of addressing the issue of wage fixing / manipulation by the studios. Maybe the IATSE mothership can come to the rescue at some point.

As for DreamWorks and their relationship with Obama and his administration, it'll play itself out. Katzenberg will learn a lesson from it all.

After years of dealing with issues such as this one through AN and in other ways I find myself almost indifferent to the situation. I still hear about studio manipulation of artists and corruption and ineptitude in the studio scene all the time. That's one reason why my attention is almost exclusively on what's happening in the independent / alternative scene.

Animation media is corrupt, children's entertainment is corrupt, studio management is corrupt, union leadership is corrupt, animation historians are corrupt, animation education is corrupt, studio artists are corrupt by virtue of their legendary fear and indifference and also by their hostility to anyone from the community who stands up to address these issues and tries to make a change.

Years ago at the advent of AN and even well before that time I advocated for the rise of artists to take control of their industry and our collective destinies. I heralded a future where artists can thrive outside of the parameters of the work for hire paradigm.

Now that this future is arriving we're still seeing the ol system in its true nature. It will never change from within.

VFX artists in LA Hollywood will not see their industry come back. Union artists will not see any change in the mentality of their leadership. Students will not see an industry that they will be able to influence in any meaningful way beyond what they do creatively, all the while mired in student debt incumbered for a chance to be a part of it all.

At this point in my life and after the many years of experience I've had with the status quo in animation, the only area that's worth supporting and exploring is the new one we're in right now. The world of independent projects and crowdfunding. It's still a burgeoning frontier and in its infancy but it beats dealing with the studio scene and everything that involves. At least for me and for many others as well.

I really do wish everyone the best and hope that things turn out positively for the artists involved in the latest mess to rock the entertainment biz. There's still many positive aspects to the mainstream but the devil rules this place and as long as artists remain compliant, fearful and apathetic the more it will remain the same no matter what the outcome of this current scandal.
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Postby Greg B » Fri Jul 11, 2014 12:20 pm

Understood Charles,

I'm not gonna get into a debate about which AG was worse than the other, you can read about them here and under the administrations they served:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Attorney_General

The bottom line with the animation industry scandal of late is that it holds what I've called the "User/Exploit Model" of business and admin. It's about what an organization can do to use you as a resource for their expansion and protection. It took hold slowly in the early 60s after JFK's assassination and then grew to what we see now in both business, religion, education.

The independent movement is fine. The numbers and math are in our favor, but, it's attracting too much money and TPTB (the powers that be) are working hard to undermine it. They are so terrified that just ONE independent break out project will arise and change the game that they sit around night and day scouring the web for anything that might be a threat. Now artists are getting paid NOT to use crowdfunding and bury their projects. China is trying to buy up every copyright and trademark. Even I've gotten offers from China and some were just outright threats that if I didn't sell lawyers would do this or that but I had a surprise for these clowns. Nuff said on that.

So the corruption is there because the opportunity is there. Maybe cops can't or won't go after these people but it's because the cops know that crooks that big inevitably feed on themselves or piss off the wrong people and all hell breaks loose.
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Postby SNAKEBITE » Fri Jul 11, 2014 12:29 pm

Corporations, politicians, they're all corrupt. They do it for money after all. There's no honor code with most of these cats and the ones who do have honor have to swim on their own.

With that said, I have more fun with making video commentary about it.
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Postby Greg B » Fri Jul 11, 2014 12:55 pm

Every institution we relied on for truth, justice, and the American Way has FAILED.

We're now a gangsta run country and there's nothing we can do about it except what our ancestors did which is get off our asses and start some s***.

It works every time.
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Postby SNAKEBITE » Fri Jul 11, 2014 1:49 pm

What was the American way? Cuz what I have discovered tells me the American way had nothing to do with individuals ideals on what they believed it was.

I will agree it's failing, but the way itself was corrupt from conception. Our country was and is founded on slave trade. Period. We might of had people who were working towards something good, but the American Way itself is no bueno.

It's all fraud that we consent because we like conveniences.

Like the only reason wage fixing is possible because the community is passive and afraid. If individuals found strength in themselves instead of feeling like they had to vote for it then this s*** wouldn't even happen as much as it does.

The individuals are sicker then the ruling class. Most people wouldn't even know what they would do without the ruling class. People like to be told what to do.

Forget being free, I want to be known as being expensive.
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Re: DreamWorks, Pixar, Disney colluded in wage fixing

Postby Charles » Fri Jul 11, 2014 2:07 pm

Here's the embedded video brother...



Greg, corruption is so blatantly rampant they make no pretense of even hiding it anymore. It's all out in the open for all to see. The powers that be mock us and we sit here and take it.

The entertainment industry has been getting away with whatever they want for so long, corruption is the normal mode of business it seems. Hollywood has turned into a vile hypocrisy that actively supports the criminal government we have. The only surprise here is that they've been exposed regarding wage fixing in animation. That's really not the surprise per se. What will be a real shocker is if anything is actually done about it.

As far as studio artists are concerned, from what I've learned recently as far as pay rates go, they seem to be doing pretty good. Even if the studios are conspiring to keep wages uncompetitive, artists in the system are doing a helluva lot better than Walmart employees.

It's difficult to feel sympathy for a community that perpetually engages in happy talk and has for years neglected and ignored the obvious signs that something is wrong. Our institutions are all part of the charade. If they cared they would've embraced AN and everything we've represented and stood for all these years. Instead we were blacklisted by the very community we fought for and that continually gets the short end by a non-creative management class that runs this industry.

The problem with the status quo animation biz is the artists themselves. They are the weakest community in Hollywood when they should be far and away the strongest. They won't do what they need to do in order to take control.

Don't vote in your elections union artists. Keep the same lame ass corrupt individuals running your organization for the past 25 years. Don't get involved. Hate on your brothers and sisters who try to make a difference. Shun new ideas and a pro-active mentality. Keep fighting each other and stabbing each other in the back.

Embrace the pettiness.
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Re: DreamWorks, Pixar, Disney colluded in wage fixing

Postby Greg B » Fri Jul 11, 2014 2:22 pm

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Re: DreamWorks, Pixar, Disney colluded in wage fixing

Postby SNAKEBITE » Fri Jul 11, 2014 2:43 pm

I'm totally not for any revolution. Much like I'm not looking to make the mass millions deal anymore...they both are illusions or we would be someplace different by now. I focus on evolving me. and when I speak and create I do it for me and if that connects with one person that would be great. But I believe thats how things will evolve. Revolution is just more resistance in the force. We must embrace our personal strengths and abilities.

Thanks for embedding the video,C. Its weird, sometimes it works for me, sometimes it doesn't...google is messin with me. hahahaha
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Re: DreamWorks, Pixar, Disney colluded in wage fixing

Postby Greg B » Fri Jul 11, 2014 9:21 pm

Well the dye is cast.

Since there is no law there won't be any law.
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