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OFFBEAT
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLuMWiQ6r2o
LOL!!
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.. but I agree with Kerry.. You have to be a complete nincompoopy imbicile to serve this country.. especially after Vietnam, and the war in Iraq. It's blatant disregard for the value of soldier's lives to militerize foreign policy is downright dispicable.

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If the soldiers bring democracy to Iraq.. I hope they aren't surprised when jobs go over there when/if they come back.

Yay Capatalism!! Yay Globalisation!! Thank you for making us rich boys!!! Now hobble your wounded self out of here!

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From " A Few Good Men " :

Son, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Whose gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinburg? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for Santiago, and you curse the marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That Santiago's death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall, you need me on that wall. We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.

If you don't get it, you never will. People are there, doing things we will never know about, so we can sit in the comfort of our homes and bitch about the latest cartoon that doesn't meet our standards.
My highest respect goes to those who serve, and have served, and have died in service, in our armed forces.
Thank you.

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My highest respect goes to those who serve, and have served, and have died in service, in our armed forces.
Agreed. I don't think a Vietnam-veteran like John Kerry intended to insult the troops. He's sure getting roasted over this, though.

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I respect all warriors...but our soldiers ARE stuck in iraq...both the educated and uneducated...stuck...and fu-..well, you know...

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I'm not questioning soldier's bravery or willingness to help out, but in a world where soldiers are consider "smart" ...i'd be afraid what 'dumb' looks like.

And i'm not saying they are dumb.. I'm saying.. it's either 'blind patriotism' or 'stupidity' (which I consider to be one and the same) to look at the missuse of troops this country's track record has had in the last 30-40 years.. and enlist.

I'm 100% in full support of our troops when they were in Afghanistan fighting Al Queda.. or WW2

But using our forces for anything else but defense or for pre-emtive strikes is downright unforgivable.

2,800 of our troops, that Americans "support" died waging an uneccessary INVASION ...(not a war) in Iraq.

I support the troops more than the politicians that look at them as pawns to enforce their will upon the world... because THEY suck at diplomacy.

How are we supporting the troops when we approve of them being in a war.. we know to be wrong????

Am I crazy??

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbZ5jPJk4Dg

kerry should have added "or become president" to "if you don't study, you get stuck in iraq" [Big Grin]

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Awwwww, Kerry responds.. ruins the fun..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNvUg3F58BE

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Maybe I missed it, but the only thing Kerry is guilty of is not being clear or able to tell a good joke. He meant W not the troops.
If you ask me the GOP only looks desperate trying to use this as a lightning rod to get the vote out. Is this the best they can do....I guess accusing Fox of faking his illness didn't work so now they're trying to use Kerry - who lost to a moron (which makes him even more pathetic) and isn't running for anything - as their reason to vote GOP?


Sheeeeesh!

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it's either 'blind patriotism' or 'stupidity' (which I consider to be one and the same) to look at the missuse of troops this country's track record has had in the last 30-40 years.. and enlist.
It also used to be a good option for folks looking to afford a college education. Two of my friends in college went through ROTC to help pay for their college degrees.

I'm not sure kids are eager to enroll in ROTC right now, though.

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Kerry's statements are shocking.. but no where near as shocking as Bush's calling the constitution "a goddamned piece of paper!"
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7779.shtml

To be fair.. the exact quote is..
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"I don't give a goddamn," Bush retorted. "I'm the President and the Commander-in-Chief. Do it my way."

"Mr. President," one aide in the meeting said. "There is a valid case that the provisions in this law undermine the Constitution."

"Stop throwing the Constitution in my face," Bush screamed back. "It's just a goddamned piece of paper!"

...which WASN'T in the news as much.. and definetely wasn't being talked about by Rush Limbaugh. (I've had a year to prove this.. he said it back in 2005)

But if anyone wants to compare Bush's flubs to Kerrys.. I could be here all day posting quotes. Or you can read one of the MANY books (over 5) published or any of the NUMEROUS websites FULL of the dumb things Bush has said.

They also have a daily calender.. each day with a dumb Bush quote.

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quote:
...we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns
Which particular "walls" in Iraq were our enemies about to scale and attack us?

Meanwhile:
Army relaxes its standards to fill ranks

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[Smile] I love the internet. It makes it easy to prove yourself right.

The soldier's may not be stupid.. but I bet they feel stupid being in a war that has nothing to do with 9/11. But don't take my word for it..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztX_pcLN4eY

David Swanson.. Explains how it went down, and how Bush should be brought up under criminal charges:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUsfjt_ymwQ

...But I think he got it wrong.. Bush refused to go under oath.. for the 9/11 commission.. see.. it's hard for him to answer questions if his answers cannot be a lie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4agxiUyD1BE

Bush says here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8RPHmbpRuo
"Iraq is part of the struggle against terrorists"
..which is true.. Iraq was struggling against al queda attacks themselves.. lol

Bush: "One of the hardest parts of my job is to connect Iraq with Terror" ..i'm not making this up!! See for yourself...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rETBYfeG9H0

Bush wants you to know he's never been "Stay the course": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZE20lzZZF0

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you and you're ...evidence...

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"YOUR!"

geesh

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Ironic that they get so up in arms when someone fumbles over their words.

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My youngest brother is training to be a linguist in the Army. He is 29.

He did not come from a poor family with no opportunities. He is not in the Army because there was nothing else for him to do. He was being actively courted by law schools when he decided to sign up in the Army.

He has already graduated from college with a double major of electric engineering and political science.

He took 6 AP classes his senior year of high school and got 5s on all of his tests.

He got a 32 on his ACTs.

He was regularly beating adults at chess by the time he was 7 years old.

He is many things but dumb, deluded or stupid is certainly not one of them. He's one the smartest people I know.

And he VOLUNTEERED.

Pat yourselves on the back with your smug self satisfied comments on how dumb soldiers are, or at least dumb for VOLUNTEERING for a company with politices you disagree with, but me, I thank God for people like my brother who are willing to put their lives on the line to protect every armchair pundit sitting fat and comfortable here in the US.

Including the ones who think they are morons.

Kerry can claim it was a fumbled joke but he's got a record of disparaging soldiers that goes back to 1972.

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I thank God for people like my brother who are willing to put their lives on the line...
I, too, am grateful for those who have served in our armed forces, whether it's your brother or John Kerry.

I hope that Congress will soon support our troops with adequate armor, adequate equipment and wiser policies. They deserve the best.

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Pat yourselves on the back with your smug self satisfied comments on how dumb soldiers are, or at least dumb for VOLUNTEERING for a company with politices you disagree with,
There's a difference in disagreeing with something.. and having evidence that it's wrong... if you watched the videos I posted. Bush himself said there are NO ties to 9/11 and Iraq. And there are TONS of evidence that he knew this prior to sending OUR troops.. YOUR brother over there to invade a country that had nothing to do with attacking our country. If he kept our troops in Afghanistan.. Al Queda would have been a thing of the past by now.

My dad took 3 bullets for this country.. lost two brothers.. my mom lost a brother, and had another emotionally damaged from Vietnam. I know all about american patriotism.. I also know how America turned it's back on them.. and many other soldiers when it came to medical care due to war gained injuries.. even happened in the first desert storm. Bush has even cut some pay, medical benifits from current enlisted troops. A great example of political hypocracy.. support our troops!!

George Washington's highest ambition was to serve as general for the English Army. Lucky for us.. he realized that sometimes rebelion is more patriotic than blind team spirit.

Everyone always asks.. how can a nazi be a nazi?? Easy... take your answer.. and pretend you're german. They were being patriotic. Doing their duty.. ask no questions! For the glory of the team!!

...and i'm sorry if it's 'smug' to think it's stupid behavior.

I LOVE our troops.. I commend their bravery and honor.. But I do so by saying it's wrong to use them as pawns in a war that is wrong!!! I VALUE THEIR LIVES!!!

If a wealthy CEO of a company here had a buddy who owned a plantation in South Africa.. and all of Africa wanted to burn down it down.. would you be allright with sending our troops in to defend it??? Knowing that a % of them would die doing so??

I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt, and thinking you would say "no"

..so what if that wealthy CEO was President?? Would it be allright then??? What happened to your patriotism?? What if he said it was because another group from another country was responsible for 9/11??? OK then??

I'll fully apologize and take back EVERYTHING i've said here if you can tell me what our troops are doing for America by being in Iraq??

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...besides bending them to our will.. enforcing our free market with a barrel of a gun. Thus destabalizing the middle east and making it easier for us to do business with them.

um..er.. I mean 'helping them gain democracy.'

Which is so desired over there.. just ask any of the insurgents. [Smile]

They love us over there.. love us with rpg's.

Once we're there.. we're never going to leave.. it'll be one of the 130 countries we have bases in. Anyone think that economic imperialism is a hippie conspiracy anymore???

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and if i'm being smug.. by not serving myself.. I have something in common with the President.

I find it repugnant that Bush criticized Kerry, who was a soldier and is a Vet. If anyone can comment on soldiers.. it's one who has been one.

And BTW.... no one has claimed the $10,000 reward from Cartoonist Garry Trudeau for eye-witness proof that George Bush serving in the National Guard..

2 years running now..
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/02/25/elec04.bush.doonesbury.reut/index.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/3514867.stm
http://www.doonesbury.com/strip/bush_guard.html

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I just like to say educated people make dumb decisions all the time.

Intelligence is not wisdom.

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YOUR ABSOLUTLEE RITE!!
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I'm 100% in full support of our troops when they were in Afghanistan fighting Al Queda.. or WW2

But using our forces for anything else but defense or for pre-emtive strikes is downright unforgivable.

2,800 of our troops, that Americans "support" died waging an uneccessary INVASION ...(not a war) in Iraq.

OFFBEAT, how can you be 100% if full support of our troops who fought in WW II? Germany and Italy had never attacked US soil when we declared war on them. Shouldn't you revise your support to roughly 50%? The US lost over 125,000 troops in the invasion of Normandy alone - and France had never attacked us! Do you consider that invasion unnecessary?

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I agree with the sentiments already expressed. Kerry only spoke words, and words are not actions. And the actions carried out under this administration and it's lap dog congress have cost lives. Countless lives. As have the people that have voted for them. Yes, that blood, that phantom limb missing from someone; account yourself. Only cowards support a war without their own blood. You need to f*ck-off and shut up, or go fight right man.
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Watch your thoughts, they become your words.
Watch your words, they become your actions.
Watch your actions, they become your habits.
Watch your habits, they become your character.
Watch your character, it becomes your destiny.


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Tobias, if this is an example of you "calling me out" I have to say you make me laugh! Did you want me to meet at your playground during lunch? [funny]
I thought you were calling OFFBEAT a coward for supporting our troops in Afghanistan and not shedding any of his own blood. [Wink]
Honestly Tobias, between your implied support of government sponsored population control and your non-belief in free speech presented above I have to say the kind of world you aspire to frightens me far more than the one we live in. Then again, perhaps you aren't to be taken seriously as you did recently describe your head as being " soft-boiled in places".

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You have to be a complete nincompoopy imbicile to serve this country..
THIS is what I take umbridge at Offbeat. And again, yes, pat yourself on your self satisfied back while you insult the people who volunteer to give you the freedoms to insult them.

Gosh, too bad not everybody is as smrt as you.

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THIS is what I take umbridge at Offbeat. And again, yes, pat yourself on your self satisfied back while you insult the people who volunteer to give you the freedoms to insult them.
I said WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE TRACK RECORD of how THIS country uses it's military in the past 30+ years.. and IF you sign up KNOWING it.. then yes.. you're a big dope in my opinion. Your heart might be in the right place.. but nothings happening upstairs.

And what freedoms are we gaining from Iraq? The freedom to invade any country that doesn't do our bidding? IRAQ HAS NEVER BEEN.. PAST, PRESENT OR FUTURE.. been a threat to America. Or our freedoms. Unless, in my daily scanning of the internet and news stories have missed something.

Prior to 9/11 our country'd biggest threat was the cuban missle crisis where they had PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE of nuclear missles pointed at us.. FROM CUBA.. cool head prevailed... and they solved everything with diplomacy.

I did my best to defend this country.. I voted for Kerry [Smile]
Who said he would have pulled the forces out of Iraq and gone after the real threat.. Al Queda and Osama Bin Laden. But I was bested by the voting retards of this country who voted for good ol' boys! Team Spirit and all that yee hawin'! So.. I packed up my intelligence and my fancy books with all them frilly facts.. and bitch about it online.

I'd like to ask all the hard core right wingers if they are getting what they were expecting from their president.. Where's the increase in good ol' american family values?? Where's the Good ol' days?? Where's the higher morality?? Where's star spangled apple pie???

Divorce rates have went from 33% to 55% in the last 10 years. Abortion is still legal.

Hmm.. anyone thinking what i'm thinking?? Perchance political parties
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Offbeat, reasons for the war aside, as Colin Powell said, we break it, we buy it... do you honestly think pulling out of Iraq will fix everything?

And do you still maintain that anyone serving in the military is ... what did you say... an imbicile nincompoop?

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No, he said, anyone that knows the histroy of how this country uses its military and still decides to join is an imbicile nincompoop....I mean, if you're gonna quote a brutha then do it right.

People who are not aware of such facts and join for benefits and the American way (whatever that means these days)are just naive.

and then there are those who know whats up but just don't care.

people who actually think they make a difference...

and then those soldiers who just like to fight.

it is too bad not everyone is at least as smart as Offbeat.

if this country held that standard of smartness we'd be alot better off...and yes, I said 'smartness".

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do you honestly think pulling out of Iraq will fix everything?
I realize this question was directed at Offbeat, but I have some concerns about Iraq.

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Veteran John Murtha pointed out that "[t]his is the first prolonged war we have fought with three years of tax cuts, without full mobilization of American industry and without a draft."

Instead of raising taxes to pay for this expensive war, the administration decided to hand the bill to our kids. Our mounting national debt has already caused our comptroller general to express concern for the financial future of the United States. Unless we raise taxes, I do not think we have enough money to stay in Iraq.

Our current army is an all-volunteer army, sent with inadequate armor and equipment to Iraq. This lack of armor/equipment has probably caused the number of our existing troops to shrink at a faster rate. Weary soldiers find themselves unable to leave after they have fulfilled their service, because our troops are stretched too thin. Our military now has trouble recruiting new soldiers, despite increasingly relaxed standards. I also don't think that abandoning the search for a recently kidnapped soldier will boost our troops' morale or offer much incentive for new kids to sign up for duty. Unless we have a draft here in the States, I do not think we will have enough troops to stabilize Iraq.

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I do not think the American people will support either a raise in taxes or a draft for the sake of Iraq. So, since we do not have enough money or troops to occupy Iraq, we should bring our soldiers safely home.

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Soldiers don't have an option to be intelligent.
They have to follow orders. And following orders you don't agree with.. or know to be wrong.. well.. I'll let you define that word.

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it is too bad not everyone is at least as smart as Offbeat.
That's a very scary idea.. because i'm a big nincompoop myself. But I will say that if I was the bar which stupidity was set.. the world would be a smarter place. [Big Grin]

But, in being a nincompoop.. I think the idea of volunteering for an army.. taking orders without question.. do it or go to jail.. not having a say of which possible lethal situations i'd be placed in.. is not a very smart thing to do. Doing anything against your own will because it's "for the team" is also.. very wrong headed thinking.

That should be the very definition of stupidity.

Now.. please note.. bravery and intelligence are two different things..

And it doesn't mean you can't be both.. but if you're a soldier.. you don't always have that option.

If a burning building you knew was empty.. and you go into it to save a big screen tv..or other material things.. you're brave and stupid.

If a burning building where someone says "I THINK my 99 year old grandmother MAY be in there!!" And you go in for her... You're brave.

If a burning building where someone says "My baby's are all in there!!" and you go in after them.. With axe in hand.. firefighting equipment.. You're brave and intelligent.

and if.. same situation.. you sit outside and do nothing.. you're intelligent.. but cowardly.

Those are just my opinion.. some might argue self preservation isn't cowardly.. but I do, if a child's life is at stake.

But when you're in the army you can't make those decisions. In fact.. you may be ordered to set buidlings on fire with people inside.. or go into a burning building to fetch the sargeant's big screen tv.

Maybe I can illustrate what I mean by soldier stupidity...

If you've ever watched military tactics recreations of the time of the revolutionary war.. soldiers would line up in roles.. and march towards one another.. shooting!!!

Not.. using the terrain.. not waiting untill they were sleeping.. no ambushes.. Marching to their death sans the other side was a lousy shot.. It was rediculous. I remember thinking AS A KID.. i'd hide in the woods and snipe at them.

Boot camp for soldiers makes them do whatever their superiors tell you... jump on that grenade!! sir, yes sir!!! Oooh- Rah!

That seems INCREDIBLY stupid to me. Especially when George Bush is your commander in cheef. It's stupid to follow an ex-alcoholic coke head draft dodger. He was an alcoholic at 40. At 16 I knew better. and like I said.. i'm not the sharpest tool in the shed.

And I said many times.. their hearts are in the right place.. and I will always applaud that. But most of them don't know that they are being used as pawns untill it's too late.

..Our guys are going to have to deal with that they shot.. killed.. bombed men, women, children, families whose only crime was that they were angry we were invading their country.

That IRS video scared the crap out of me.. when the national guard went door to door of wealthy home owners during Katrina.. seizing their guns so that they wouldn't shoot anyone trying to loot their houses... leaving them defenseless.. the soldiers said "... I never thought this would happen in america.. I don't think it's right.. but we're just doing our job.."
Now that's a soldier..

Soldiers don't have an option to be intelligent.

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as Colin Powell said, we break it, we buy it... do you honestly think pulling out of Iraq will fix everything?
No Colin Powell.. I think you should keep the jerkoff that likes to break things in office and let him break whatever he pleases for whatever agenda he has.. and spend 10-15 years cleaning up his mess at a cost of $20 trillion dollars.

I'd pull out today. Let Iraq sort it out. All the things that would happen today would happen whenever we'd leave in the future. If we're waiting to get a U.S. friendly government in place.. we're gonna be there for at least 10-15 years. If the Iraqis want democracy so bad.. let them get it like every other democratic nation.. fight for it themselves. "Giving" democracy to Iraq is like giving a crackhead a million dollars.

I would then give the troops a good rest.. and then put them on a relentless huntdown for osama bin laden and every member of Al Queda. Then I'd order intelligence reform in the CIA and FBI. Then I'd spend the rest of my days as president setting up a force feild around the constitution and try to make sure that something like Bush never happens again.

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reasons for the war aside, as Colin Powell said, we break it, we buy it... do you honestly think pulling out of Iraq will fix everything?

It's a fair point, I think an immediate pullout from Iraq would only make the destruction and loss of lives all the more meaningless. On the other hand, if "you break it, you bought it", maybe you should just take the bull out of the china shop before it does any more damage.
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I'll post this again:

WAR IS A RACKET
by
Smedley Darlington Butler
Major General - United States Marine Corps [Retired]
Born West Chester, Pa., July 30, 1881
Awarded two congressional medals of honor, for capture of Vera Cruz, Mexico, 1914,
and for capture of Ft. Riviere, Haiti, 1917
Distinguished service medal, 1919
Retired Oct. 1, 1931


Excerpt (Lots more at the link):

WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives.

A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people. Only a small "inside" group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes.

Out of war nations acquire additional territory, if they are victorious. They just take it. This newly acquired territory promptly is exploited by the few – the selfsame few who wrung dollars out of blood in the war. The general public shoulders the bill.

And what is this bill?

This bill renders a horrible accounting. Newly placed gravestones. Mangled bodies. Shattered minds. Broken hearts and homes. Economic instability. Depression and all its attendant miseries. Back-breaking taxation for generations and generations.

For a great many years, as a soldier, I had a suspicion that war was a racket; not until I retired to civil life did I fully realize it.

It would have been far cheaper (not to say safer) for the average American who pays the bills to stay out of foreign entanglements. For a very few this racket, like bootlegging and other underworld rackets, brings fancy profits, but the cost of operations is always transferred to the people – who do not profit.

WHO PAYS THE BILLS?

Who provides the profits – these nice little profits of 20, 100, 300, 1,500 and 1,800 per cent? We all pay them – in taxation. We paid the bankers their profits when we bought Liberty Bonds at $100.00 and sold them back at $84 or $86 to the bankers. These bankers collected $100 plus. It was a simple manipulation. The bankers control the security marts. It was easy for them to depress the price of these bonds. Then all of us – the people – got frightened and sold the bonds at $84 or $86. The bankers bought them. Then these same bankers stimulated a boom and government bonds went to par – and above. Then the bankers collected their profits.

But the soldier pays the biggest part of the bill.

If you don't believe this, visit the American cemeteries on the battlefields abroad. Or visit any of the veteran's hospitals in the United States. On a tour of the country, in the midst of which I am at the time of this writing, I have visited eighteen government hospitals for veterans. In them are a total of about 50,000 destroyed men – men who were the pick of the nation eighteen years ago. The very able chief surgeon at the government hospital; at Milwaukee, where there are 3,800 of the living dead, told me that mortality among veterans is three times as great as among those who stayed at home.

Boys with a normal viewpoint were taken out of the fields and offices and factories and classrooms and put into the ranks. There they were remolded; they were made over; they were made to "about face"; to regard murder as the order of the day. They were put shoulder to shoulder and, through mass psychology, they were entirely changed. We used them for a couple of years and trained them to think nothing at all of killing or of being killed.

Then, suddenly, we discharged them and told them to make another "about face" ! This time they had to do their own readjustment, sans [without] mass psychology, sans officers' aid and advice and sans nation-wide propaganda. We didn't need them any more. So we scattered them about without any "three-minute" or "Liberty Loan" speeches or parades. Many, too many, of these fine young boys are eventually destroyed, mentally, because they could not make that final "about face" alone.

In the government hospital in Marion, Indiana, 1,800 of these boys are in pens! Five hundred of them in a barracks with steel bars and wires all around outside the buildings and on the porches. These already have been mentally destroyed. These boys don't even look like human beings. Oh, the looks on their faces! Physically, they are in good shape; mentally, they are gone.

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... and that's why it's stupid! [Big Grin]
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...and I wish people will stop looking at Patriotism as a good thing. It does more harm than good IMO. Just look at the nazis.

...When I think of blind patriotism.. I think of Nazis. Watch the movie "Triumph of the Will." Noone is more patriotic than a Nazi.

Your government should be questioned and held accountable at ALL times. The government should feel like they are 2 steps away from the people revolting at ALL times. Maybe then they'll have more respect for their cannon fodder.

But on the otherside of the argument.. Hulk Hogan is Patriotic..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p59BoKqSlTI
Actually.. the real thing is funnier: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGuhZvO1DKg

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Found "Triumph of the WIll" on youtube!

Just look at all that patriotism!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-w8XEIqVBA

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Look at all those soldiers.. and all the Patriotism.. it really is an amazing spectacle to see... oh, unless you were the rest of the world.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BddVfcQX-v4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NubAk9HXoQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiNLdqdoNYQ

Another point i'd like to make.. is that most of the German people and soldiers in those films were unaware of Hitlers plans of Jewish Genocide. It was hitler's version of a "War in Iraq."

I'm not comparing Bush to Hitler.. but then again, i'm not an Iraqi.

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