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Greg B
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http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1436471,00.html

After reading this story from last year you wonder who the government is trying to ******** when it comes to this psychotic 'War On Drugs' they've been waging.

The sheer volume and global drug economy that has continued to grow is a joke.

Even after 911 when all the ports were closed dope still got into the country. Even with all this Homeland Security and Patriot Act bs dope has yet to wane. I can't walk down a street in Los Angeles with a gorgeous blonde without ten freakin' cops stopping me but dope dealers can move humongous amounts of illegal narcotics and no one notices?

Gimme a friggin' break.

It's over gang. The good guys lost again and this world is now on a non stop ride to hell in a plastic baggie.

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I think the Guardian figures of 200 million illegal drug users worldwide is grossly understated, based on simply looking in any direction.

A little more drug info, concerning our southern neighbors:

...This is what’s called realpolitik. Tolerating the existence of a narco-state in Mexico is preferable to having an economic collapse in Mexico. Successive presidents have looked at the facts and made the same decision. ... It’s simply confronting reality

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Mexico makes more money from drugs than they do from oil, tourism, and the remittances sent back by illegal Mexicans working here. They earn at least $50 billion a year now from selling drugs. They simply can’t live without it. You have to understand the Mexican economy is 4% the size of the United States' economy. Fifty billion dollars is big money in an economy of that size.

Everybody that gets into the drug industry becomes corrupted. It doesn’t matter if you’re a cop or a robber. There’s just too much money. All you have to do is blink and you can get paid. You’re standing there waving cars through at the border. You’re a U.S. official. You wave cars through all day. All you have to do is wave one more through and you can make $50-100,000 in the blink of an eye.

...it terrified DEA and I’ll tell you why. They took down 21 tons of cocaine in a warehouse in California in 1989, and after they did that, the price of cocaine did not go up. It had no effect on the market, so much was coming in. That was the first time that DEA really understood the magnitude of the drug use in this country, because it’s very hard to track. People don’t report how much coke they use every week.

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quote:
It's over gang. The good guys lost again and this world is now on a non stop ride to hell in a plastic baggie.
Another weekly report from our very own bright ray of sunshine folks.

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Best solution.
legalize everything.
then everyone gets a chance to make some cash.

But really, for the people who started this "war", its all working accordingly to plan.
nothing new here.

So Greg..do cops stop you for being a stud?

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FP,

I have to agree with you here. The data you provided on Mexico's drug trade is alarming.

When you take into account that mainland China and Singapore and many Islamic countries have penalties that are unspeakable in their cruelty yet people still run amok dealing and using.

It's like you posted that in a blink of an eye, looking the other way you can make enough loot to put down quite a nest egg and in some cases retire.

Remember 'Miami Vice'? It was a television look at the drug trade. People loved that show. Hot cars and women and money and boats blah blah. F it that it was supposed to be about the horrors and terrors that cops and citizens went through fighting this crap.

What's additionally tragic is that 'some' drugs that are illegal show promise as treatment to many illnesses and are far cheaper to cultivate and process than the pharmaceuticals often prescribed.

Growing up in NY believe you me I've seen the devestation dope can do. When I was a kid dope was referred to as an 'infamnia'. It wasn't spoken of and if you got caught with it you were lucky IF you made it to jail alive.

What really got me was the ability of people in corporate positions who were easily controlled by dope. All you had to do is shove some coke or smack in their mug and they were like someone's closest pal. Then they would collapse and lose their positions and another rube would take their place.

I'm just sick of the death and disaster that follows this **** . After 30 years of fighting it I'm just tired that's all.

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How about a War on Unhappy Feelings
War on School Yard Bullies
War on Domestic Violence
War on Terror

Any other idiology i'm forgetting that you can't win a war on, but spend plenty of taxpayers dollars by saying you are to make it look like you're doing something?

I don't drink or do drugs but a War on Drugs is a War against freedom. They are basically saying we know what you should be putting into your body.

Why not go to the root and wage a war against the the reasons people use drugs.

People don't realize that if you were to somehow magically remove every drug user.. every drug ...every memory of there being drugs off of the face of the earth .011323 seconds later, someone will want to get high.. or escape whatever pain/memory that is bringing them down.

I'm sure drugs has their origin in cavepeople hitting themselves in the head with rocks untill they get dizzy. And peer pressuring those around them "OG.. you gotta try this rock!"

I understand that people want to get rid of drugs because of dangers to other people.. but what the hell? Alcohol is the worst drug out there. How many drinking and driving accidents happen per day??

People who smoke pot can drive fine.. less likely to pick a fight or get belligerent or commit crimes. They are at peace with the world, and want to eat twinkies. Adding to the economy.. at least the snack food industry.

They outlawed the wrong drug IMO.

But people are morons, and want a parenting figure in charge telling them what to do and to tell them that everything will be allright.

Freedom isn't for everyone.. especially the masses.
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In ancient times drug abuse was considered wizardry. Pharmacacia if I'm correct.

It was a major problem during Jesus and Mohammed's times. They both admonished it. Hashish believe it or not was the problem drug of their day and recent evidence shows as far back as the Egyptians hashish and cocaine were present. How they got the cocaine is a mystery but since the Egyptians had boats and fleets of ships it's not a large leap that they either got them from S. America or someone from S. America brought them or some other sea faring civilization.

All this war is doing is lining the pockets of the super criminals we have nowadays and the best thing to do is legalize it and educate the public. Once the mystique and thrills are gone as well as the bounty, the drug trade will diminish to a controllable degree.

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To look at it another way:

►Imagine a country in which much of the populace is convinced that "drugs are bad", so that a large "enforcement" effort can be officially in place.
►Drugs are deliberately allowed into the country by a deliberately crippled, massively corrupt enforcement body that catches only small fry and end users.
►Drugs are highly criminalized, so much so that the mandatory minimum prison sentences for drug "crimes" far outweigh that of violence or massive theft.
►This ensures a large prison population, one in which fairly compliant "drug criminals" comprise such a large prison population, that overcrowding pushes truly dangerous offenders back onto the street early, because their crimes carry no federally-mandated minimum sentence.
►Then imagine "privatized" prisons, which are run by cronies of those in power, for profit, at a budget ostensibly lower than with which the government operated.
►Then imagine that prisoners are put to work as laborers for companies with ties to those that run the prisons, making/assembling various items, for a total cost even lower than that paid Chinese factory workers. Early release and humane treatent would hinge on a prisoner's acceptance of these terms. If a prisoner refuses to become free or cheap labor for a multinational corporation for the duration of his sentence, he is not allowed to speak to anyone outside, not allowed to see his family, not allowed any priveleges at all.

It's being done already. Drug "offenders" in prison are massively plentiful and far more easy to control than violent offenders, whom the authorites don't really care about, because they stalk only those outside gated communities. Drugs are just another disruptive influence wielded to keep the public off-balance, frightened, and all-too-frequently incarcerated, to exert even further oppression and exploitation than can be exercised with more familiar methods.

Dissent and debt could likely soon be added to those crimes guaranteeing a cheap, controllable labor force. The $370 million Halliburton detention centers project, currently underway, raises the obvious question: What are all these new prisons for?

More info:
The prison industry in the United States: big business or a new form of slavery?
The corporation prefers prison slave labor
U.S. Prisons Are Slave Labor Factories
Prison Factories:
Slave Labor for the New World Order?

Prison labor on the rise in US
Slavery is Legal in the U.S., did you know that?

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Deaamn Frank!

You're sure kicked some ass there with the facts!

I recall when first starting out in the work force as a teenager in the corporate world finding out the first day that so many execs were strung out on alcohol and dope.

It's been a major problem since day one. These people are prey for controllers who use them to alter markets and destroy companies from the inside out.

Dopers and degenerate gamblers. Have em' on your lines and it's a disaster waiting to happen. Once the gangsters get their claws in them they're on the hook forever and they work in the next office.

It's fiendish.

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Howa bout the war on war?

The same strung out executive types are the same ones that vote to keep drugs illegal. I say they live their karma...yeah, they may keep themselves out of prison, but they are miserable human beings.

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Well said Snakebite.

The bottom-friggin'-line is that this War On Terrorism, Patriot Act, Homeland Security is the biggest goshdanged lie ever told to civilized man.

It's a lie and a pile of bullshot so deep 'The Fly' should be the White House Press Secretary ( hey, that's a good idea for a toon ).

Did Saddam have weapons of mass destruction in Iraq? Who cares? He already had weapons of mass destruction here in the U.S. called Meth, Alcohol, Smack.

Lately there was a major airline security test and it failed miserably. Why? Because if you crack down on security you screw up the transport of illegal goods, aliens, laundered money, weapons, and DOPE.

It's so obvious it should be on the headlines of every freakin' newspaper in the free-freakin'-world.

They can't even fix the figures and throw in spin doctors because they would have to fix the figures of every major institution and minor institution and they can't do it. We know how many people turn up in emergency rooms, hospitals, jails, court rooms, etc. The statistics don't lie. We're being bullshotted and we're dying out here over it.

I'm on the phone as I type screamin' and yellin' at pals of mine in every area of journalism asking them why the fart they couldn't put together the statistics and ask those a-holes in Washington why they won't address this glaring f-up. I'm gonna lose a lot of friends I'm sure, life long friends, but this is too damned obvious to ignore.

Oh yeah I'm getting all kinds of bullshot about 'well the Iraq and Israeli issues are foremost on the city desk's plate..' and I counter with 'Do I look like I f-n live in the Middle-f-n-East?' It's like everytime I turn on the tv set I have to watch some crap about what some people who have been at each other's throats for almost 2,000 years still at it. Meanwhile there are American citizens not having their Constitutional birthrights addressed.

We got whored out. Plain and simple. We are sitting ducks to another attack but you won't hear the cops complaining because they're making money hand over fist in overtime and hazard pay.

$200+ billion for this Iraq war and the annual dope trade could have paid for that war 4 times over.

Bitch now or forever be a piece. ( of ass that is )

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FrankP,

Those links are invaluable.

Real eye openers for sure. I know cause I grew up near 5 maximum security prisons in upstate NY.

Here's a link to the latest statistics I could find on the U.S. war on drugs:

http://www.ojp.gov/bjs/dcf/enforce.htm

It's unfathomable that things have gotten so out of hand.

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theres a great line of books from a publisher that goes by the name "disinformation". the one book I picked up is called "Everything you know is wrong"its one of three i believe and talks about all these "statistics" made by people who profit off giving the people lies. from fabricated serial killers, to what we really knew before 911 to myths about our youth, treatment vs. jail for drug users and mental illness. While we are distracted by flag waving and who's considered a terrorist,we are constantly fed lies about who we are as people.

we are imperfect human beings yet these so called consensus have the missing piece of the puzzle we're all supposed to fit in. Its all fear based, money driven bla bla to get the weak ones to fall in line so the rest of us have no choice but to follow the sheep off the cliff so the wolves can take over...and its working.

the people who are aware are easily dismissed as conspiracy theorists while the status quo lives off of happy meals and triple shot lattes...and we're supposed to believe we're more free in america then anywhere else.

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http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06018/640103.stm

This story will make you SCREAM!

It details the flood of heroin out of Afghanistan and it's global impact.

Mind you, we've got troops there that can't find Bin Laden and I can understand because the same troops can't find them big ass poppy fields either.

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FrankP,

This link you posted:

http://www.parascope.com/articles/0197/prison.htm

I used to work for that magazine. I know Charles who wrote the story. Worked there from '97-'02 was the biggest online magazine forum on AOL. Even Art Bell was a staff member with us back then.

I just had a conversation with a retired FBI & DEA agent. He's in his late 60's and he said they couldn't figure out why they didn't legalize drugs and tax em'. He agreed that it's all ******** and that the reason no one wants to bring it up in the house and senate is because of fear and money.

Today the Attorney General announced a bust of Colombian drug cartel leaders. It's all spin doctor stuff as it still don't explain how all that dope gets across the borders that are supposed to be so well protected by the billions for Homeland Security.

Friggin' rip off.

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Hardly a bust. A grand total of three of them are already in US custody.

The rest of them are members of FARC, who has been fighting to take over the Columbian gov't for forty years.

The US has requested extradition. D'ya think we'll bring 'em in? D'ya think that even if we did, someone wouldn't rise up to take their place? D'ya think the CIA is getting a slice of the pie somewhere along the line to fund their own field trips?

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Rupert, you sure hit the nail on the head.

With the 100s of billions of $$$ these criminals have to bribe people, nobody in their right mind is going to rat them out.

Look at the options.

You look the other way and make $100k or you rat and get shot.

I think even someone with a single digit IQ can figure that one out.

The administration knows they have no freakin excuse for the invasive unconstitutional actions they've been executing and they know they can't account for our tv sets and Christmas gifts being delayed due to airport and seaport and national disaster shut downs but they can't explain why dope is still flowing and the ill gotten gains keep rising.

For there to be so much heroin produced that the street price dropped from $250 a gram to $75 is evident of the failure to contain this menace.

I'd bet if they legalized it the processing and distribution would be picked up by Haliburton.

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I've been raising holy heck with every news professional I've known for almost 30 years. Why isn't this being discussed as the most glaring evidence of the failure of our security procedures.

Several long time friendships have been lost but I won't let up.

The cops and agents I know tell me up front it's because of the bonanza of money in security. So much overtime and hazard pay and training pay. Gotta put jocks who didn't make the major leagues to work or they'll balls out and start beating their spouses.

Because I'm taking them to task you may well see a sudden wave of drug war stories but you'll not see the White House answer these questions.

The press corps are too scared. They've been compromised with threats of retribution and imprisonment.

Every day we delay the bad guys' money gets larger and their influence stronger. Now you know why many people can't get money for their film projects because it's going to dope. On the other hand I'm sure most of us have heard of film projects being funded by dope money.

That's something to look into.

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Here's a news item relevant to the topic.

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11909500/

50 Colombia rebels indicted on drug trafficking
U.S. alleges FARC members sold $25 billion of cocaine to finance terrorism.

Updated: 3:33 p.m. ET March 22, 2006

WASHINGTON - The United States indicted 50 leaders of Colombia’s largest guerrilla group, charging them with sending more than $25 billion worth of cocaine around the world to finance terrorism at home.

An indictment made public Wednesday in U.S. District Court in Washington said the leaders of the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia, or FARC, ordered the killings of Colombian farmers who did not cooperate with the group, the kidnapping and deaths of U.S. citizens and the downing of U.S. planes seeking to fumigate coca crops.

The FARC supplies more than half the world’s cocaine and 60 percent of the drug that enters the United States, the indictment said. Other sources say the numbers are somewhat lower, but still significant.

“The FARC’s fingerprint is on most of the cocaine sold in America’s neighborhoods,” DEA chief Karen Tandy said at a news conference to discuss the charges.

The group uses proceeds from the cocaine trade to purchase weapons in its four-decade fight to overthrow the Colombian government, the indictment said. A grand jury returned the indictment on March 1 and it remained under seal until Wednesday.

The United States and the European Union consider the FARC a terrorist organization.

U.S. officials said the indictment strikes a major blow against the group because it lays out the FARC’s hierarchy and details of its operations. “Members of the FARC do not want to face American justice,” Attorney General Alberto Gonzales said.

He acknowledged that 47 of those charged remain at large, probably in well-defended FARC jungle strongholds that have so far proved beyond the reach of Colombian authorities.

The State Department said it would pay up to $75 million in rewards for information leading to the arrest of 24 FARC leaders named in the indictment.

Three of those charged in the drug conspiracy already are in custody in Colombia and U.S. officials said they would seek to have them extradited. They are: Jorge Enrique Rodriguez Mendieta, Erminso Cuevas Cabrera and Juan Jose Martinez Vega, authorities said.

More than 400 Colombians have been extradited to the United States to face criminal charges, officials said. Two accused FARC leaders already are awaiting trial in Washington on narcotics charges.

The FARC is holding more than 60 hostages, including three U.S. defense contractors kidnapped in February 2003, when their small plane crashed in the jungles of southern Colombia during an anti-narcotics mission.

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Yes Charles, we commented on that news story earlier in the thread.

It's BS. Spin doctoring. It still doesn't explain how after 5 years of almost martial law all that dope still got in this country and exported out of others. The statistics I posted from the DEA website prove that.

The administratio knows they cannot explain this glaring discrepancy other than our forces and public are in cahoots with the drug trade. They know there's no other excuse and they won't confront it.

So as usual when the heat is on, bust someone to make it look good.

But this time, the public was ready for em' and it ain't workin'.

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http://news.independent.co.uk/world/asia/article363606.ece

So now Afghanistan is expected to produce the largest crop of poppies hence opium ever. Mind you we just had a war there and are occupying the country to a large degree.

Sooooo, how come the dope is exploding?

Here's how bad it is at home:

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/world/story/D8AE848044BF973A86257166005E F62B?OpenDocument

St. Louis' new heroin problem.


Okay, it's time to call it what it is. A scam.

The NSA can log your phone calls for patterns but for some reason we can't stop the flow of dope?

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I saw an article in the paper around a month ago concerning the Mexican government making drugs legal in the country. Everything from heroin to LSD to weed and all points in between. An individual can carry a certain amount on their person without breaking the law. It's intended to be a measure to neutralize the drug cartels. What do you think about it?

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Just goes to show you what the state of Mexico is in, that legalizing drugs would help their economy. ...and it would. It would be like Amsterdam.. the country. Mexico would become every dumb*sses travel destination.

If every drug were legalized.. I still wouldn't use them. In fact, i'd be less inclined to do them, because the coolness factor (of it being illegal) would be gone.

Prohibition gave organized crime a helluva lot of power. If drugs were legal.. criminals would be losing a HUGE market.

But on the other side of the coin.. That would open HUGE markets for other countries. If drugs are funding terrorism NOW.. then it'll be insane funding if there are Poppy Fields inc.

AND.. People en mass are practically retarded from where I stand. They lack responsibility for themselves, and ruin it for the rest of us... or for those that like to do drugs. Look at all the problems associated with alcohol.

People are just too dumb to handle freedom.

I'm hoping this will change.. but that would require good parenting.. and that miracle will never happen.

My vote would be to legalize EVERYTHING.. but REGULATE the hell out of it.. even alcohol. I'd want it tougher for you to get hammered in a bar, then get behind the wheel of a car.

I'd like to see hotels set up.. where you drop off your keys.. and can do whatever drugs/alcohol you want in a private room or bar type area.. but cannot leave the premises unless you pass a soberity test.

I'd also say let people smoke wherever/whatever they want, as long as they wear a plastic bubble bag over their head to prevent me from smelling it.

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this world, this life is all about compromises.
Subjects like this are tricky. I agree with most everyones point of view. there's all sorts of scenerios that can go down as a result of legalization. But over all education and awareness should be the initial switch.

Mexico is already a place where people can do and get crap they can't get here. thats no secret, thats nothing new and with this shift I fear people fromother countries, ie America, will look at it as just another place to party and get away with, whats considered illegal here, activities. ..and the mexican government will fund it.

At this point, how will the shift go down? Will the cartels go peacfully. will they turn into just another thug in a different suit. I'm sure cartels would prefer to set up stable manufacturers as opposed to being chased by the law all the time...are they gonna be the ones to set up smoke shops in down town Tijuana?

But at the same time, I often read and hear how the act of making certain weeds legal alone would destroy the alcohol, tobacco and oil industries in one move.

I dunno, theres all kinds a reasons why it should be legal and all sorts of reasons, like stupid people, why it shouldn't be.

But I say, make it legal and let the stupid people do what they will. we can only control ourselves not our neighbor.

I say the war we really need is the war on ignorance...everything else kinda works itself out after that.

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Charles yes, there was a Bill in the Mexican Government that would have decriminalized the posession of small amounts of narcotics. It was a ploy. President Fox knew that with the pressure on regarding illegal immigration which sends Mexico billions in $s per year he was about to lose a cash cow.

He countered with a flawless plan to allow the posession of small amounts of dope because he knew it would turn Mexico into the tourist attraction of the planet. Then a few days later after 'pressure' from the U.S. he rescinded his announcement that he'd sign that Bill.

Translation: Gimme more money or i'll screw things up.

If any country in Central or S. America really hated the U.S. all they'd need to do is make drugs and prostitution legal and that would be that. Why not? My cousins from those regions all know the score:

MAFIA.

Not just the traditional or stereotyped Italian Mafia but all the others including the behind-the-scenes ones. The drug trade and petroleum trade are two of the biggest scams ever invented. Brazil is now a foreign energy independent country making the U.S. and the other super powers look like saps.

It's a scam and if the Democrats and Liberals really wanted to stick it to the Republicans and their 'War on Terror' they would have brought up the undeniable statistical facts presented not only by our own DEA and DOJ but those of foreign powers and allies that show the drug trade has exploded ever since this massive blanket of security has been enforced and after numerous natural disasters that curtailed the delivery of everyday goods and services but not one drop in the availability of drugs.

There's only one reason. I don't have to spell that out for you. The Democrats, Liberals and opponents are all in on it too.

We've become a planet of gangsters and we need to stop feeding kids that rah-rah patriotic nonsense about good and evil and let them know the truth.

Did you read the headlines about Universal Records having to shell out $12 million in a payola scandal? What's that tell kids? That no matter how hard they practice and work their art can't get recognition unless they pay someone tribute? It's Mafioso tactics that go back to the ancient days. Remember when Eisner was talking with the Disney stockholders a few years ago and when asked by a shareholder what they were going to do about slave labor manufacturing in China and he said there was nothing he could do about it?

Slave freakin' labor???

Now we have the NSA logging all our phone calls to supposedly look for patterns and not content. You mean the same NSA that botched 9/11, Afghanistan and Iraq? Gee that makes me feel comfortable. Who are they going to sell this info to? How can they assure us that the info is secure? They can't. Why? Because also in the headlines is the story of man named McKinnon from the UK who committed the biggest hacking of U.S. Government files in history and all he used was a 56k modem and Notepad.

Gimme a break.

Charles, I can say a bright spot was recently meeting a student of yours. A very talented young man making great money at one of the big animation studios. I work with his cousins and we mentioned AN and he bolted up and said,

"Yeah! I know Charles who runs it! He's hardcore! He's all about sticking it to the man! I took classes at his school!"

That cracked me up. Glad you have inspired the youth to go on. We didn't have resources like AN when I was his age. All we had was knuckles and guts.

Bottom line here is we've all been had and I think the President realizes he's been had too. I'll bet alot of senior officials realize they trusted the wrong people and that globally we're all up against mobster powers who don't want the boat rocked.

Nothing will change until people get good and mad like in the movie 'Network' but considering the disbursment of money from ill gotten gains into the various union and retirement funds it ain't gonna happen.

Welcome to the new Slave Trade.

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