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Graphiteman
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Out of curiosity, how's business been generally for those of you who animate with Flash? Web or Broadcast?
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Otterslide
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Good question, I'd be interested in hearing too. I thought that having directed a full on Flash feature would've opened some doors but it's been harder than I expected to land gigs after the my follow up film lost its funding. I'm beginning to suspect that I'm being underbid by overseas places that I never even find out about.

It's funny because on another board someone said that with my credits I ought to be heading up a studio by now, but I can't even seem to find even regular old Flash animator jobs to follow up on these days. Is it that bad or am I just that disconnected from things?

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Ganklin
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i think flash is still a very viable means of production. it's been practically my sole tool for animating with for broadcast for the past 2-3 years. www.coldhardflash.com (which i'm sure you're aware of anyway) is generally up to date with what's what in flash. of course, i'm only speaking from my own personal experience.

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Striker
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That seems to be the only thing being done in Toronto lately aside from CG. Our studio just started a new flash show for Disney, to be directly followed by our own in-house flash show. Flash is just a very practical program and for the most part pretty self contained. I think we'll be seeing alot more animation friendly Flash updates coming soon.

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Ben Burgess
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The ads for Charles Schwab must be done in Flash. Here is an example of the new campaign airing in the US currently.

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Ben Burgess
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The future of 2D animation?

The ads for Charles Schwab must be done in Flash. Here is an example of the new campaign airing in the US currently. It is like being a cartoon in a financial real world situation for investing. When art and the business world unite think of investing.

"Talk to Chuck" / ad campaign for the on-line broker

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[Cool]

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gergley
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While I'm not certain of this, I assumed the Charles Schwab ads were done using that process that Richard Linklater has going on. The painterly rotoscoping software being used on "A Scanner Darkly" and the earlier effort--the title of which escapes me.

As for the topic at hand...??

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LooseToon
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We currently have 2 Flash shows in production along with a pilot for a third. Also, a side effect of Flash shows is now the station IDs, commercials and bumps for these shows also need to be done in Flash, where new animation is required.
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Graphiteman
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Just to clarify my post; I just wanted to get an idea how those of you working with flash are finding the situation (steady? ROugh? Making a living?) , not simply what you saw in flash.

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It's funny because on another board someone said that with my credits I ought to be heading up a studio by now, but I can't even seem to find even regular old Flash animator jobs to follow up on these days. Is it that bad or am I just that disconnected from things?

You wouldn't be the first artist who is neither bad nor disconnected to hit a rough spot....even after some noteriety. If it's any consulation, Otter, I'd like to purchase a DVD of your feature.
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Otterslide
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I'm not going to make a dime off this anymore, but since you asked:
The Golden Blaze @ Amazon.com

Winner of the Golden Gryphon for Best Animation Film at the 2005 Giffoni International Children's Film Festival and First Prize for the Children’s Jury Prize – Animated Feature Film or Video award at the 2005 Chicago Children's Film Festival.

That second one is interesting because the CIFF website says that the award was accepted "graciously ...on behalf of director, Bryon E. Carson." I have never seen this award and have no idea where it is or who has it. [Confused]

So that's how the biz is going for me right now; not only an out of work Flash animator/director, but an award winning out of work Flash animator/director. And what the heck, as long as I'm shilling I also directed animated this, my first significant Flash animation work:
Undercover Brother animated series @ Amazon.com. Inbetween these two releases were a bunch of shorts and episodic Flash stuff.

As for rough spots, yes I suppose that happens. It's just that there seems to be a lot of Flash stuff going on around this town right now. I just need to figure out how to hook into some of it I guess. I tried standing on a Hollywood Freeway offramp holding up a sign that read "Will Flash for Food", but that just got me arrested. [Roll Eyes]

I wonder what the weather is like in Calcutta this year.... [Wink]

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gergley
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There are a lot of commercials featuring animation and a good number of them, especially ones made for non-medicine related , seem to be made using Flash or are 2D and could be done with Flash.

I think many would be curious to find out how those who are doing those commercials are getting/securing those gigs. Bonus: there seem to be some folks on the board who do commercials every so often.

Is it the result of getting cozy with ad agencies, having a rep. or a lot of solicitation of potential advertisers (the businesses' who need the ads)?

I ask because commercials made for broadcast are one of three which using Flash *seems* to be experiencing growth. The other two areas being the Web and mobile devices like cell phones. But even with those other two areas it is mostly ad-related, or quickie, entertainment-related/ education-oriented use of Flash animation.

Of course, there are those who pay more attention to trends than I do so maybe their two cents would help flesh out options for those looking for new opportunities.

Graphiteman, I know you aren't looking for trends info but it is useful info. Obviously, finding out how to land those newer opportunities is of interest, too. That's partially why I brought up having a representative/agent/agency. Off the top of my noggin, I know of a couple of people who go through an agency and seem to have steady work as a result.

So, perhaps others (hinthint) who have experience with reps., etc. can say if it is always worth it?
Surely, having representation is easier than always keepin' an eye out--which is what I do.

Hope any part of the above is helpful to anyone.
G.

P.S., The other Linklater film is called "The Waking Life". Just to follow up on that.

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