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Mark Christiansen
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Jerry Beck reports over at Cartoon Brew that the organization, Women in Animation, will be honoring Margaret Loesch in June. Now, that group can invite any guest speaker they like, but the choice of Ms. Loesch is puzzling to me. She's not an artist. Can anyone out there tell me what creative contributions this woman has made to the animation industry? My hunch is that the answer will be "zero", but I'm willing to listen to those who have an opposing view.

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Evan Esparza
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Animation is a team effort...no animation company can exist with just artist. You need writers, producers, editors, music ect ect...so to limit speaking to just animators is very short sided.

This lady was responsible for some of the most popular cartoons of the 80's. Her executive producer credits include:

Transformers
Jem (a personal favorite)
Muppet Babies
Fraggle Rock
GI Joe
Bear in the Big Blue House

I think this is a wonderful choice. They should really invite all aspects of the production process. Voice Actors are always a great show, or writers.

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Mark Christiansen
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The organization that has invited her to speak is called, "Women in Animation"..............to me that implies a group of CREATIVE people. Yes, voice artists and writers in the animation business should be invited as well, but those are CREATIVE people. Does Ms. Loesch derserve to be included?You listed shows that she has an "Executive Producer" credit on. Okay, fine. That still does not answer my question regarding her CREATIVITY or lack thereof. To me, Ms. Loesch is no different from Michael Eisner: just another "suit" who greenlights some projects and kills others with no rhyme or reason.

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Scott Shaw!
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I worked with Margaret Loesch at Hanna-Barbera and Marvel Productions and I've gotta say, for someone who doesn't write or draw, Margaret is one of the ONLY modern executives in animation that I've met who actually LIKES cartoons and cartoonists and is fairly expert on cartoon and comic book characters, their history and appeal. (Brian Miller at Cartoon Network is another one.) Believe it or not, she actually "gets" what cartoons are about. I wish Margaret Loesch was working in animation again; we could sure use more execs like her right about now.

Aloha,

Scott!

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q
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You go try to get major production completed without a producer and you will see why this is of most worthy merit for accolades...

You have almost got me ready to start a flame war because you are attacking someone honeorable
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I refrain because too many good posters have gone down like this.

errrr ( that's me growling at you)

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Mark Christiansen
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No one has ever said that producers aren't necessary for a production, whether it be animation or live-action.
The point I was making is that Margaret Loesch is being honored by a group that I thought was made up of creative people, not managers or bean counters. I didn't say that she wasn't a decent lady or a fine person,etc. All I'd like to know is, what has been her contribution CREATIVELY to the world of animation, and I don't just mean greenlighting "Jem" or "Fraggle Rock". Anyone can say, "Yeah go ahead and put that into production, or no, that show's costs will hurt the comany's bottom line". Disney artist Sue Nichols has contributed a lot to animation, specifically her character styling on such films as "Hercules". Cynthia Petrovic designs characters, draws storyboards and truly understands what makes animation entertaining. Lauren Faust animates, writes, and designs animated films and shows. These creative women make a REAL contribution to the art of animation.

As I stated in a previous post, Women in Animation can ask anyone they wish to come and speak to them. That's their business. I was just trying to better understand their choice of this particular honoree.

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monkeydad
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The name "Women in Animation" implies nothing other than women working in animation - ALL aspects of animation, not just creative roles.
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Scott Shaw!
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Although neither a writer nor artist, Margaret Loesch was an integral part of the development process on the shows she executive produced. I'd work with her again anytime...and I'm somewhat allergic to most "suits".

Aloha,

Scott!

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Methuselah
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Euse' has a point:
I've seen announcements of events like this one for this orginisation over the years, and the guest speakers seem weighted to women in non-drawing, animating or painting positions...I think there may have been one or two honorees that were longtime veterans of the industry(i.e. members of 839), but the vast majority of the current, working women speakers and panelists have been from the ranks of writers, producers, and execs. Nothing wrong with that (it certainly is true that production can't exist without the hard work of those people), but it'd be great to see and hear of many more women animators --there are plenty of huge talents to honor and listen to before they reach retirement age. [Wink]

-P.S.: if there have been a ton of current women artists saluted but the org, call me wrong and I'll be glad to be so. [Smile]

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Mr. Fun
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I first met Margaret Loesch at Hanna-Barbera when I joined my boss, Doug Wildey on "Godzilla." Aiiiiieeeeee!

Anyway, I'd be happy to work with Margaret any day compared to some of the "boneheads" managing animation today.

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Charles
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This is another example of abuse of the forums. When people come here and post a topic with a title such as this one, others think that the author's view is the official stance of AnimationNation.com, which couldn't be farther from reality.

I've never heard anyone say anything but positive things about Margaret Loesch. An organization as fine as Women In Animation would not be honoring this lady unless she was truly a deserving person.

AnimationNation.com congratulates Ms. Loesch and is in full support of Women In Animation and the choice they've made as to whom they've decided to bestow their accolades.

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Animagus
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quote:
The name "Women in Animation" implies nothing other than women working in animation - ALL aspects of animation, not just creative roles.
And, in fact, to join, I don't think you even have to be a woman.

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monkeydad
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"When people come here and post a topic with a title such as this one, others think that the author's view is the official stance of AnimationNation.com, which couldn't be farther from reality."

I've gotta disagree with you Charles. Anyone who knows anything about internet forums knows that people show up and sometimes say things counter to a site's philosopy. I don't think any reasonable person would assume that a topic like this is AN's official position.

Of course, we all know that not everyone surfing the net is reasonable [Big Grin] , but those people are going to belive what they want to anyway, and nothing anyone says will change their minds.

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Charles
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You can disagree all you want daddy-o, but when you're on the other side of the fence as far as moderating a site like this is concerned and dealing with the email and the people who get all twisted out of shape over these kinds of things, you get a truly unique perspective and I can tell you without a doubt that this kind of editorial use of the AN forum is going to end. We're burned out on it big time.

Tell you what. You guys can give us your real names, we'll start a thread that is set up to discuss you in sometimes personally derogatory ways, suspend your account so you can't have an opportunity to defend yourself and we'll see how you like it.

Although this isn't happening with the thread in this case, it has happened before many times and I know what I'm talking about because we have to deal with the situations it creates and in the case of Ms. Loesch, she deserves a lot more respect than that. Huh????? following somebody's name is not the way to do it.

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Mark Christiansen
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Just one last post regarding this topic that I regretfully started.

I apologize for any hard feelings I may have caused regarding my unwarranted harsh remarks about Margaret Loesch's upcoming speaking engagement at the Women In Animation gathering in June. As I had stated in a previous post, I was not calling into question Ms. Loesch's character, integrity or likability. I have never met her or ever heard any negative talk about her personally or professionally. Scott Shaw! and Mr. Fun both confirmed that Ms. Loesch was an absolute pleasure to work for and that she contributed creatively to the development of a number of animated cartoon shows for television. I stand corrected. That's precisely why in my first post I offered my ear to opposing viewpoints. I erroneously tend to lump all executives/suits into the same group, and I need to correct that.

Again, my concern was that the likes of Lynn Naylor, Lorna Pomeroy, Sue Kroyer, and the late Laverne Harding were being overlooked. I'm sure now that this is not the case.

I hope this clears the air.

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Mr. Fun
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Well said, Eusebias. Suffice it to say there are great executives out there who do indeed "get it." They are great to work for, work with, and deserve our respect.
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Charles
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Eusebias, you're a classy guy. Thanks for explaining where you were coming from. I think you described it well before. The way the topic was initially presented was not consistent with the content of your comments, but it's okay. The disgruntled email we received was minimal. Thanks again for your follow up.

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