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Charles
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A new feature is going to be launched on AN in the next day or two.

It's called the Gallery Challenge. It'll be taking place in AN's Gallery on a regular basis.

Your host for the Gallery Challenge will be none other than Gary Clair, known on the boards as Offbeat. Gary will also be coordinating AN's Contests. The Gallery Challenge will be a weekly feature of AN except when an AN Contest is under way.

Gary will be following this up with more details soon. Have fun and let's see what happens.

Keep creating!

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roger
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Wow... a Weekly contest! Lets see if i can make some time for this!

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GaryClair
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This is how it's tenetively planned.. After we see it in action, we'll be able to fine tune it.

It's going to run Monday through Saturday, with Sunday left open for voting, Winner Announced on Monday morning. The Winner will have till noon on Monday to choose the next challenge from a list of 3 of the best suggestions.

We don't want to exclude anyone.
For example, we may have a challenge for WRITERS to come up with a short one page skit, and the following challenge will be open for STORY ARTISTS to board the winning skit, and then CHARACTER DESIGNERS design the characters for the skit.. and BACKGROUND DESIGNERS design the backgrounds.. and then ANIMATORS animate a quick head turn/ walk cycle of said skit.

That sounds like a big headache to plan, so we're going to keep it simple in the beginning, untill we get the hang of it. But hopefully.. this'll grow to something like that.

You can submit at any time during the week.. you can either submit your art to me via email (will post later) or host it on your website, or through a free hosting service like Photobucket.. http://www.photobucket.com/ which uploads your images for free, and give you a URL to the image you can paste in your post.

Winners are awarded with a huge pile of gratitude and praise from the Animation Nation community. As well as bragging rights.
[Big Grin]

The idea of the weekly challenges is to have something new and exciting to look at everyday, and inspire/challenge others into participating.

The Challenges will NOT run during the time of the AN contests.

Please Start submitting Challenge ideas/suggestions now. So we have a bank of them to choose from the get-go.

Thanks!
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Trondheimfan
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quote:
For example, we may have a challenge for WRITERS to come up with a short one page skit, and the following challenge will be open for STORY ARTISTS to board the winning skit, and then CHARACTER DESIGNERS design the characters for the skit.. and BACKGROUND DESIGNERS design the backgrounds.. and then ANIMATORS animate a quick head turn/ walk cycle of said skit.
And after a few years of challenges, we'll have our very first AN produced animated feature film! Yay!

Can I submit some scenes from my short film, so you guys can, you know... do all the work?

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My only request is that it contains monkies and cheese.

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roger
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I think its a great Idea. Just one piece of advice as this is gooing to be an on gooing thing and to prevent legal matters to throw a spanner in the works... and other people running away wit a possible excelent production for free ( and I am not referring here to AN members). Have a disclaimer or terms of use that when you join the competition all the rights go to AN or something like that.

But I am all for it so bring it on!!! [cheers]

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gergley
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The ongoing contest sounds like a great idea.
There's nothing like challenges to get those creative corpuscles flowing.

As for what Roger wrote: that's a valid concern, for sure. Howevah, for a bunch of reasons, I don't think it is anything to worry about.
The most likely case is that any one submitting would retain copyright for their individual submission, right?
Since this is in the early, early stages, I'm sure that'll be ironed out and explained by Gary.
If submitters are retaining copyright then putting the circle C ( © ) and your signature on artwork( or whatever) you submit would be prudent. You know, just as a matter of course.
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roger
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Yeah, Gergly i know what what you mean, i am just making sure this does not backfire on anybody: like somebody submitted a story, but was not the copyright holder: next we make something and Charles gets a visit off some guy's with Bazooka's holding him acountable...

Maybe I worry about this sort of stuff because we have to deal a lot with silly copyright stuff...

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gergley
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Ya gotta think that it is responsibility of the submitter to take credit for their work or to face the wrath of being called out publicly if it isn't their own work.
Enh. Shenanigans.
That's why rules, indemnification and such happen. None of that stuff is fun. But, they do fit quite nicely into guidelines for participation which can be anchored somewhere in the Gallery and easily linked to in an email.

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GaryClair
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I don't think we have to worry about copyright infringements..

My thinking is this..
Once a work is published, I believe it's automatically copyrighted. I don't think anyone could get away with stealing an idea under the noses of the thousands of witnesses who view these webpages.

(Especially the guys on this board who go frame by frame on the Incredibles DVD)

I'll work out the legalities as best I can.. I imagine it'll be something simple LIKE:

AN can't do anything with the art or ideas outside of the challenge thread.

If we have challenges in a row where a writer comes up with a premise, and the next challenge, a Character Designer designs the characters from THAT premise.. rights of the premise belong to the writer. And the rights of the designs belong to the Character Designer.

If the writer wants to pitch or sell that idea with THOSE Character Designs.. the writer would first have to get the permission and work out a deal with the Character Designer before doing so.

It's in their (and especially the studio they are trying to sell to's) best interest to iron out a work for hire situation before hand.. or risk losing 1/2 the rights in court.

I'm not a lawyer.. and this should be fun and submit at your own risk.
If you guys want to iron out all the details before we get started.. or include legalities within your submission (watermarks, copyrights, trademarks, registration, etc..) by all means!
[help]

Because you can't really copyright an idea. Just an execution of that idea.

If you were to go to Nickelodeon (example sake) and pitch a show called.. I dunno... "Sue-Shi the Samurai Swordfish", and they pass.. and afterwords.. Nickelodeon comes out with "Lou-Shi the Samurai Swordfish" or "Sue-Shi the NINJA Swordfish" or even call it exactly "Sue-Shi the Samuari Swordfish" ..But change all your characters around.
There's not much you can do about it.. Because you signed a non-disclosure agreemant.

At least here, you have witnesses.

It would be up to you if you decide to take them to court.. not Animation Nations.

I mean.. if something like that does happen.. i'll be the FIRST guy to go to court for you as a witness.

That said.. The chances of Nickelodeon doing something like that are nill.. because AN is the voice of the industry.. and if they were to do something like that.. We'd talk about it endlessly, and they'd have a hard time getting people to submit show ideas to them.

Studios NEED creative people to pitch them show ideas.. do you think producers could come up with something like Spongebob? So.. the LAST thing they want is a reputation for stealing ideas.

Now if you're worried about Joe blow sitting at home collecting our artwork and ideas, and then trying to sell it to a studio.. and it becomes a hit show.. or even if Joe Blow steals it and uses it for t-shirt designs.. You'd have a strong case in court.. The artists have the original art, even if it's digital.. they'd have psd documents with it in layers, and a hirer rez image than Joe Blow would be able to provide.. and if a writer pitches and idea here in JUNE and Joe Blow tries to sell a show in JULY.. you'd have hundreds of AN members as witnesses.

..and IMO that's the best case scenario.. because when you're right, you're in the might. And the courts dictating what a fair $$%% would be a HELL of alot more than the studios would ever be willing to pay you "legitimately"

lol

...Like the Matrix-Terminator lady!

But it's impossible for us to stop someone from seeing your idea, and deriving something similar to it, or incorporate it into a character of a project he's working on.

If you're still worried about it.. then don't submit anything that you'd be upset losing, or for 100% security.. don't submit anything at all.

If you create the next Mickey Mouse.. i'd keep it under my hat if I were you. Even at work.. I never give them the good stuff.. not on a 'work for hire' basis. Hell no.

[cheers]

[funny] "Sushi the Samurai Swordfish", "Sue-Shi the Samurai Swordfish","Lou-Shi the Samurai Swordfish","Sue-Shi the NINJA Swordfish", and "Sushi the NINJA Swordfish" are all copyrighted 2005 by Gary Clair. All Rights reserved. Any attempt of doing anything with these characters will result in a public punching of the nose. Yours or mine, whoever is fastest.

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GaryClair
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...And as for someone using someone else's work and passing it off as their own..

I'm going to use the Incredibles DVD guys as example again of how that will be very unlikely.
LoL!

We have AN members from all around the world who are all familiar with artists from their part of the world.

If someone can actually do that without us spotting it.. I for one would be impressed!

That's a good idea for another Thread.. "Name This Artist"

If it DOES happen, I have been authorized to send Snakebite out into the field to administer an official AN beatdown.
(joking of course.. but that would be a cool moderator power!)
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GaryClair
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Oh.. and you have to be a member of the independant economy in order to participate in the challenges and to vote.

Insincere apology goes here.
[Big Grin]
As Animation Nation's web-hosting company always says "Awww! C'mon!" doesn't pay the bills.

(3 posts in as moderator and i'm mad with power)

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GaryClair
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Forgot the evil power trip laugh...

Moo-hoo. ha. ha.

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gergley
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Haha.
Gary, you have no idea how many times I revised those two posts I put upriver.
What you wrote about the many who will see the work and the self-policing aspect of the Internets is what I tried to write last night and today. Just couldn't do it.

So thanks for explaining that.
I totally agree with you on that the proof is in the pudding, btw. Source files be it digital originals or scans or paper, plus thousands of eyeballs are pretty solid at proving or -godforbid-disproving these things.

This is supposed to be fun thing, right?

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roger
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I am no lawyer either, but i have been taken to court by a previous employer. And artwork I created in my own time, during the period I was working for him, fell acording to the judge under his ownership, copyright and all... [Eek!]

Now how it ended up is a long story (and a very expensive one).

quote:
This is supposed to be fun thing, right?
well thats was the whole reason I brought this issue up: It should be Fun for the participants and organisers. Law is complicated.. especially international law, so better be safe than sorry,
thats all.

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sounds like the judge screwed you, roger. dream clauses and own time clauses are a scam. employers don't own you, just the work you create for them under the aggreement of employment. I don't know where they found that judge, but they were lucky...but then again, the legal system is totally skewed in favor of money...so luck has nothing to do with it.....MAN, that sht just pisses me off to no end. fukers don't own you, jeebus and baby jeebus, what if you conceived a child during your emplyment, thats consider a creation, right......what if I was a construction worker and built my own house on my time? do they own my hours and the thought put into it and therefore owning a part of my house? HELL NO! so why can they possible own all my thoughts in my head?


anyways, Im sure you went through all this pain, roger. don't mean to bring up the sour past, but that sht just chaps my hide.

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Snakebite, the problem in a nuttshel was as follows: I worked for company X that went bankrupt but transferred all the assets including personell to company Z. I had a contract with X not with Z, but because Z payed my salary i fell under Dutch general law, because there was no official agreement of any sort... and that was what turned against me. Judges here like simple matters: you do artistic work and get payed (with no agreement there is no clear definition of when you work or how many hours...) then basically whatever you produce goes to the person who pays... as simple as that :-( The whole matter was dealt with in less than 45 min.

I know its wrong... but its now 12 years ago and we have learned a lot from it... but you do tend to go paranoia with copyright and contracts after that. And we now know that beeing right, does not neccesarely mean that you get justice.

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yeah, no doubt. what a ****** lesson to learn....well, at least you learned from it, most people don't.

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This is beginning to sound interestingly like the film some of us were trying to produce here about 2 years ago. Back then it was hard to get anyone organized, or interested enough to devote their free time to it, myself included.
I'm glad it's finally coming around to being an AN group thing. I STILL believe the combination of talent on this board is astounding, and the ideas we could all come up with could very well sweep the animation world if ever brought to light.
It looks like that just might be happening...count me in! [cheers]

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