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SANTANNI
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Can you believe it? After shuting down a fully operated and succesfully studio in Orlando, Disney will be back in town to recruit animators for their new studio in CA that will be doing the Pixar sequels. Go figure their business decisions. [Confused]
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KevinO
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Can't they find anyone here that'll work on them?
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What I find more annoying than the sequels themselves is Disney's persistance to sequel the crap out of Pixar's library.
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...and we all know that beyond the graphics, the Toy Story sequel is going to suck. [puke]

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No.. actually we don't all know or think its going to suck.
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Ravenshoe
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Work is work. Go for it.
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Bad news folks, I just got out of my time machine... and saw Toy Story III.
It sucks.

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Am I the only one bored with the level of pointless negativity on this subject...?

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Blackmocco, that "negativity" is understandable. Disney's animation decisions didn't simply throw people out of work. Disney animation represented something to them, something for which they sacrificed possibly better paying jobs and more secure environments to support. Perhaps this is an inflammatory word, but it fits; their dreams were raped. And many of those people will see the executives they loathe as the rapists.

I don't know if those execs are rapists or not; I don't know if the Pixar sequels will be awful, good, or somewhere in between. But I fully understand the howl of pain from these people, transposed into hatred.

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Christian
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Business-wise Disney has made some bad decisions. Creativity-wise I'm withholding judgment on TS3 until I see it, same as I did with TS2 . . . and TS1 for that matter.
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Man, I'd ask for the world if I was them: Huge salary, long term contract, etc., etc. because Disney have proven themselves to be untrustworthy and unloyal, so to move across the nation for the job would really have to make it worth the while.
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Yeah, but do you really think they'd get it? Especially not when there are always people who want the work.

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oy.

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Here's the pitch: Toys Story meets Brave little Toaster. Could we dare the irony that the entire
thing is set in a great big Dump.
Where do I get in line to apply for a job?

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Floyd Bishop
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Am I the only one bored with the level of pointless negativity on this subject...?
You have to expect some negativity, at least in respect to Disney going to Orlando to recruit some of the same people they cut loose not too long ago.

It's financially devastating to lose your job, especially in an area where there aren't a whole lot of other jobs like the one you just lost.

It makes you wonder if this wasn't the plan all along... lay off the Orlando artists, let them sweat it out for a while, then swoop in like a super hero, offering them new jobs in California.

The new jobs wouldn't pay as much as the old jobs, but it's better than unemployment or working at the Walmart, right?

Sickening. [puke]

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Keep in mind that lots of people from the Orlando studio were 2D artists, and the new jobs will be on a 3D film. While the studio did offer training back when the it was still open, some people just don't want to do 3D. One friend of mine in Orlando was a cleanup artist, and had no interest in becoming a 3D animator - she had her niche, and enjoyed it.
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ben radd
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where and when is this happening?

I haven't seen anything about this?

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droosan
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monkeydad wrote:
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Keep in mind that lots of people from the Orlando studio were 2D artists, and the new jobs will be on a 3D film.
The final product will be CG .. but on any CG film, there are a significant number of 'traditional' artist positions; particularly in the initial story/design phase.

The whole movie (or at least most of it) has to be hashed out in animatic form .. and every character, environment/layout, and prop will have to be designed. Even the color keys and workbook are largely staffed with traditional artists.

Plenty of pencils & paintbrushes are still put to paper before anyone starts juggling pixels around. [Yes]

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Mr. Fun
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Yet, after hearing all that -- is it real, or is it Disney?

It pains me to say it, but this is a company that likes to "dangle carrots." If you're hungry -- be afraid, be very afraid.

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I'm sorry...

Meaning?

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Mr. Fun
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How about, you're an unemployed animator. The Mouse says, "sell your home and move across the country because I've got a job for you, and it's guaranteed."

Would you trust them?

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I can't imagine they'd waste relo money on a fake position. However, I see where you're coming from. You seem to be Mr. Inside, tho - do you have some inside info?
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droosan
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Yes, this particular project could 'evaporate' instantly .. if Pixar were to return to the negotiating table, for example. [Yes] Though DisneyToons (and even DFA) has been known to 'pull the plug' on several projects without any discernable explanation.

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I only meant to point out that CG animated features make liberal use of both '2D' and '3D' artists.

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disney hired everybody they wanted for the more "traditional" positions like story & design when they closed down the studio. i see no need for them to need any more of that kind... and if they haven't moved out of the area by now, i don't think it'll happen. a lot of people distrust the company as it is these days.

they know full sail and dave school are in town so i'm imagining disney plans to scoop up cg students they can pay cheaply with the prospect of working on "toy story 3".

and oogie: mr. fun is floyd norman, disney story artist for many years. he knows plenty of people and is well connected, how wouldn't he know what's going on in the inside?

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droosan
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They will definitely have a need for 'traditional' artists for the early phase, since TOY STORY 3 is being made at a brand-new, completely separate studio facility ..

.. you're probably right about Full Sail and DAVE School being the focus of this trip, though. [Yes]

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ben radd
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what trip? are they going?

where is the info on this?

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oogieboogie
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I meant in this specific instance, not about the studio as a whole.
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knowledge
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how's this scenario: You are in Orlando, and get a call from Disney. They want you to move out there for a long term contract making good money, so you put your house up for sale. They Iger and Pixar iron out their differences and Disney agrees to close down this new division even before it gets started as part of the agreement. It could happen.

Okay, lets say you get a pay or play contract, and now you've sold your home and already moved to L.A. - well now you're fighting for a job just like everybody else. If I was these guys I'd sit put. If Disney were really caring they'd open a building up in Orlando for these guys and hire them there.

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There's also a rumour that Disney are coming to London to rescue all the ex-Valiant staff.

I just have this little vision of every city on the planet that's just had a studio close down clinging to the idea that Disney is coming to their town to save them.

(PS the London rumour is not from a credible source, by the way, I'm just repeating it for the irony)

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If Disney were really caring they'd open a building up in Orlando for these guys and hire them there.
Yes.

And I can think of a perfect location in Orlando ; it's even got a big sign over the front entrance that says "ANIMATION" . [Wink]

(though , oddly enough, there are no animators in the building.....but Disney has one of those buildings on the Burbank lot , too, so I guess this must be a new "Disney Tradition" . Animation buildings with no animators. )


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how's this scenario: You are in Orlando, and get a call from Disney. They want you to move out there for a long term contract making good money, so you put your house up for sale. They Iger and Pixar iron out their differences and Disney agrees to close down this new division even before it gets started as part of the agreement. It could happen.

So don't take the job.

That was easy. I think that (after my nap) I'll cure the common cold. No, don't bother to thank me. It's my pleasure. Now, run along and play.

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You're right!! I'm not gonna take that darn job!! Somebody tell Disney for me. In fact I'm not even gonna move to Orlando to let them try to hire me!
They can take that long term, million dollar a year contract and just, and just... well, you know what I mean!

Oh, and the London (non) rumor - I wouldn't doubt it happens! John Williams set up, just like allllll of the other american studios before him, and made all of these long term promises and then, swoosh!! Now you see them, now you don't!!

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You're right!! I'm not gonna take that darn job!! Somebody tell Disney for me.
That's right. They never offered you the job in the first place. So don't get your shorts in a knot.

It's like worrying because your neighbor bought the "WRONG" car. It's none of your business.

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for those of you who wonder where all of this comes from, here's an article from the L.A. Times... LINK

And I believe Disney already went to London and Paris on an initial recruiting phase. They seem to be moving ahead and maybe they will do a second run for talent abroad later in the year.


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Droosan states the obvious...

"The final product will be CG .. but on any CG film, there are a significant number of 'traditional' artist positions; particularly in the initial story/design phase."

Of course - but this thread says that they're hiring animators. Again, most of that species that were formerly at FAF are of the 2D variety.

A number of posts on this thread are going to great lengths to skewer Disney on the premise that if they'd just left the studio open, they'd have all the animators they need. I'm saying that ain't necessarily so - they might actually be looking for animators with 3D experience. Yes, there are animators like that in Orlando, but FAF was not one of the strongholds.

And before anyone else jumps on my neck, I'm fully aware that 2D animators can transition to 3D, the skills are what's important, the computer is just a tool, blah blah blah. I'm one of those 2D/3D hybrids. I also used to work for the Maus in Orlando, and I'm not generally a defender of the stoopid things this company does. But let's be fair, shall we?

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monkeydad .. sorry if it seemed my first comment was directed solely toward you; it was actually more a general statement.

Point taken regarding the term "animators" .. but we all know that title gets tossed around rather broadly outside artist circles. [Wink]

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On the subject of 'risk' .. anyone who takes a job in this industry, at any studio, faces the possibility that the production/position may 'disappear' .. whether they relocate from across the country/world, or live right down the street.

Ravenshoe is right: if you don't want to (or can't) face that risk, then don't seek the job.

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And feefunk, that was an interesting article you'd linked to .. but there doesn't seem to be anything in it regarding the (alleged) recruitment drive in Orlando ..

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oddly enough, there are no animators in the building.....but Disney has one of those buildings on the Burbank lot , too...
Eustace, I'm resisting the urge to tell you to go "eff" yourself. You do realize that by saying that, you are insulting the animators that actually ARE in the Burbank animation building? Glen Keane, Nik Ranieri, Mark Henn, John Ripa, Rueben Aquino, Duncan Marjoribanks... these people are not animators?

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Bobv.... he may be talking about the original animation building on the main lot.?

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But, the Disney Burbank lot does have a building which housed its animation department for decades, and is now occupied solely by suits: the animation building on the main lot.

That's prob'ly not what Eustace was referring to .. but it does give his statement a 'granule' of truth. [Razz]

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droosan
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d'oh! Sorry, Pud .. same thought at the same time; just took longer typing mine. [lamer]
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BobV
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D'oh!! Of course you guys are right. Eustace, if it was the original animation building you were referring to, I apologize.
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