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Lee Crowe
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Hi Folks,

I got the opportunity to support Roy Disney and Hand-drawn Animation in today's article "Iger's Challenge: How to Reanimate Disney". Check it out at http://www.christiansciencemonitor.com.

There's also a link to the same article on savedisney.com.

(I was also quoted briefly in the CSM last Friday in a sidebar to an article about "Robots".)

Long live hand-drawn animation!

Lee

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Christian
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Very good. Let's hope Iger makes some changes for the better (keep your fingers crossed).
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Are Christian Scientists the cats that pray to heal sicknesses rather than going to see the doctor?
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Dan P.
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Excellent article. Although it only serves to reinforce the thought that Iger's just another bean-counter who has no real desire to nurture creativity versus pleasing stockholders.

I don't expect Eisner#2 to bring back the company to it's roots since that would require a certain amount of risk. And bringing back traditional animation must seem like the greatest example of that.

Let's face it, this guy's no visionnary. But I'm crossing my fingers anyway.

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"Are Christian Scientists the cats that pray to heal sicknesses rather than going to see the doctor?"

Yep, although like any belief system, there are the strict practitioners and those who are, um, less than strict.

I had a boss who was a CS, and when a colleague was soliciting opinions about his prostate cancer options, my boss told him he should do nothing but pray. When this same boss had a toothache though, he couldn't get to the dentist fast enough.

Obviously, this says more about my former boss than CS, but it serves as a good example of how there are folks in any belief system that use it when convenient and ignore it when it's not.

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OFFBEAT
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Wouldn't Christian VOODOO be a better title than Christian SCIENCE?? Since there is no science involved there? And If you call yourself a christian scientist.. shouldn't you be it 100% That guy with a toothache should have gone home and prayed untill he realized what an chump he's been... and join another faith. Or sit there in agony with the comforting knowledge that god wants him in pain as a test of faith or something. (We need a Graemlin with crossed eyes, tongue sticking out.. making a 'coo coo' noise for here)

I mean picking and choosing what part of the religion you belong to is a real pet peeve of mine. It's exibit A of hypocrasy in Religion. And why I have none. You either believe in something or you don't. If you were to get a gunshot wound.. and you go to a doctor instead of praying.. You CEASE to be a Christian Scientist. I know it goes against common sense. THUS! Mathematically concludes... Christion Sciense does not make sense. End of story.

(my personal beef with this is a friend of mine in grade school died when he got Pneumonia and unfortunately he had devout Christian Scientists for parents)

And what's up with praying to God for good health and cures and material things? Who is he? Santa Claus? A Genie? If he's who you think he is, do you think that much of yourself that he's taking your wishlist seriously? If that's the case.. And you HAVE this belief.. you can prove whether or not he exist in a second..

Dear God all mighty.. I would like a turkey and swiss cheese sandwhich hold the mayo on rye bread, pickle on the side.
Right now. Ok... now!. Now! any time lord. OH SH*T!! I guess this makes me an atheist! No sandwhich! No God! You can't say Oh gosh the lord works in mysterious ways.. or maybe it's beyond the abilities of the creator of everything to make a sandwhich.

It's like the Christians who say that gays go against god. They always quote 'that a man shall not lay with another man'.. but that was in the book of Leviticus!!! The same book that says you should kill your kids for being unruly.. or you should be stoned to death for working on Sunday.. Where are those people??? I know.. I know.. Jesus overturned the books of leviticus.. but that would also mean that he overturned god's beef with gays!! You can't pick and choose!!! Which is it??

All i'm asking is that people get their religion straight! and stick to it. ...oh and for their (not naming religions) priests to stop raping little boys.. that's all I ask.

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...and by the way.. If I get the Flu or a cold...
I could pray to a bologna sandwich and eventually i'd be cured.
[bow]

BEACAUSE THE FLU AND COMMON COLD GO AWAY ON THEIR OWN!

SHOW me one Christian Scientist who has grown back a limb or ANYTHING that hasn't happen to a non-Christian Scientist.

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I'm not a Christian Scientist but I don't think we should turn this into a bashing thread.
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I agree. We have to respect the beliefs of others. Let's get this back on topic. Thanks.
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I'm not bashing! I'm just saying Explain yourselves! Cause from where I'm standing it looks pretty wacky.

I would hope that if I started a religion that believes in talking carrots you'd all do the same thing!

Plus there is evidence, which i've experience first hand that this religion's belief is harmful to the children of it's members.

I'm just like the people who brought about an end to religions that sacrificed virgins.

It all starts off with a smart *ss saying.. "Hey.. doesn't this bother anyone?" Or "I better score at the prom, or i'm screwed!"

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...and WHY do I have to respect other people's beliefs?
Do your respect Devil worshippers or Hail Boppers? Or the David Koresh's, Scientologists Or Jones Town? Moonies?

The same respect as the Jews or Christians?

Are you sure you're not lying? ..to prove a point?


I do respect people's rights to believe in whatever they believe as long as they extend the same courtesy to me.

I'm a Gare Krishna, and My beliefs are that religions are man-made in order to comprehend creation and death. -- And what some of you guys come up with is down right hysterical. And we celebrate these man-made creations. Much like a David Hasselhoff roast.
[cheers]

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Ravenshoe
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Yoo hoo!

Back to the animation related topic.

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Wow - didn't mean to get you worked up Offbeat. My intent in sharing that story was to show the hypocracy of this one individual when it came to his professed beliefs. When it affected him, his beliefs became secondary. When it affected someone else, and much more seriously, then it was all about his "beliefs".

Still, as I said, this isn't an indictment of CS or any other belief system (including atheism). We'll only know for sure who's right when we're dead, and by then it's too late to tell anyone... [funny]

Now, to wrestle the thread back on track... I'm going to wait and see with Iger. Personally, I'm just glad Eisner will be gone in less than a year.

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Oh.. I plan on pitching a 1/2 hour animated short based on this topic. It's called Gary's adventures in Christian Science.

Anyone have John K's contact info?!

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Methuselah
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I'm not a christian scientist, nor do I know much about that particular religion apart from the most perfunctory impression(healing power of faith, an antipathy to reliance on medicine).

BUT, the Christian Science Monitor is one of the most respected newspapers in the world. It's I believe a secular publication, not a religious one, even though it has that name and is published by that organisation. It's won about a dozen Pulitzer prizes for reporting, and has one of the largest international staffs of reporters of any newspaper. That is, all its reportage is original, not(as with so many newspapers)just reprinted from an AP wire service or other. To be interviewed and quoted would be as impressive to me as being quoted in the Wall Street Journal or the New York Times(yeah, both of those slant different ways-but they're still important newspapers).

I know this because of the uncounted times I've heard a news report from the BBC, in the New York Times, or on public radio where a reporter from the CSM will be interviewed about some international event or other. It's really prestigious and I don't believe any of their reporters are christian scientists, nor do their stories have any sort of slant that way. Odd, but there it is. Hope this helps.

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"...and WHY do I have to respect other people's beliefs?"

Maybe you don't have to in your personal life but you have to here. And your questions may be perfectly valid but this may not be the place to bring them up. The Christian Science Monitor is a valid news outlet and I don't believe they try to push their beliefs on anyone. At least I never felt pressured to convert just from reading their newspaper.

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[Gary] <---- x20
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Sorry guys.. I apologize for offending anyone's religous beliefs..

I broke my own waiting 24 hours before I post rule.

Sometimes I'm a complete a-hole when I go back and read some of my posts.
[Eek!]

Sorry again
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As for Iger, I'm really skeptical of this.. It's not really replacing anything. He was there during every bad decision. He was a rowman in Eisner's boat..

I don't feel this is going to change a thing.

I agree with what Lee Crowe said in the article, and I remember the last time I was at Disneyland, I had said it's like paying to get into a walmart that has rollercoasters.

I think we're going to have to deal with the fact that Disney's days are numbered. Unless things change drastically. Iger is an example of a Drastic coporate inaction.

He didn't seem to be what Roy wanted, and I think the suits at Disney are just trying to buy time.

I hope i'm wrong.

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Offbeat, I fear you're right. At least in the short run. Have you seen the ABC shows this year like "Blind Justice" and "Jake in Progress"? And although I haven't seen "Eyes" yet, I'm afraid I might have to pluck mine out when I do.

It isn't as bad as the "Happy Days Reunion" show, which seemed to have been done at the behest of Eisner as a nostlgic look back at his first success. (Although how much he had to do with it is anyone's guess.) But the new shows...sigh...

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I couldn't care less about the shows on ABC. If they do good, great. If not, big whoop. They don't have anything to do with Disney's core identity (except for things that are strictly Disney such as WWOD). There's never going to be a 'Lost' ride or a 'Desperate Housewives' ride at Disneyland (maybe I better not say 'never'). ESPN and Miramax and Touchstone don't have anything to do with Disney's core identity either. They are strategic business holdings. Nothing more. To be too concerned with them is to become Eisner-esque.
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Lee Crowe
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I can't beleive this thread turned into a discussion about Christian Scientists. Jeez!

Thank you Methuselah for setting these lame brains straight about the CSM and its journalistic integrety.

What a buncha maroons. [Gary]

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Wow, Lee. I reread the thread, and I don't see one instance of anyone questioning the journalistic intetrity of the CSM. Don't know where you got that...

Guess we have to add one more lame brain to the club...

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I admit to being a lame brain. This was the wrong place for me to jump down the Christian Scientist's throats.

I'm going to start my own religion in the form of a comic book And I will Jump on it there.
[Big Grin]

2006 is going to be a bad year to be a shaker, moonie or scientologist. [Big Grin]

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Oops.. I didn't mean to include the shakers.. I haven't done enough research on them yet. I got them confused with the church of the holy ghost.. who shake and roll on the floor like a bunch of hippies.. and handle poisonous snakes.
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Hey Offbeat, will your new religion practice free love?

(And if the free love is just with you then it doesn't count)

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A Desperate Houswives ride at Disneyland?

How big do you have to be to get into that one!

[Wink]

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Disneyland should change their Lost and Found Dept. to ABC'S Lost dept. and can have the crazy french lady at the counter.. with rifle in hand.


And Andy.. How else am I going to get a religion off the ground if I don't offer free love?

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Try guilt, lies and guns. [bow]
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"And what's up with praying to God for good health and cures and material things?"

Guess you've never heard of the "let your will not mine be done" oh so common in prayer. Oh, or praying for emotional strength to deal with health, lack-of-cures, and make us wiser in our unacknowledged-hypocricies and for forgiveness of sins (an acknowledgement of imperfection and humility). Or to hold fast to your faith. Or to become a better person, and rebound from mistakes.

I know communists who are quite proud of their achievements and are quite the capitalists. I know hypocrites in countless walks of life. And I know a variety of "christian" peoples at my church alone... Christians tend to be people, too, you see... so vareity naturally occurs. What I love about the anti-christian, anti-religion crowd is the compulsion to take either the weakest/work specimens and use it as evidence against the entire body, to take human mistakes to invalidate God (we're all sinners), and the complusion to do the reverse with the non-religious-population. Not a very good control group there. Are non-religious people less hypocritical than Christians? Or are only Christians to be blamed for hypocricy merely because they acknowledge their imperfection and notice a higher power? Why are the standards uneven here?

Plus, the Christian Science Monitor isn't exactly a Chrstian Science newsletter or propoganda script. They actually have their own reporters on the ground, from what I understand, and from the non-CS Christian-lite people I know that have read the CSM, they've all have found it a quite fair and unbiased paper and attempts to provide you with the facts period. I could be wrong... but that's what I've always heard about the paper.

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