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Topic: Flash feature films with theatrical releases?
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Andy Blazdell
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Does anyone know of any feature films made with Flash that actually got released to cinemas? For a proper scheduled run, not just at festivals? Anywhere in the world, not just the US.
Lil' Pimp and Bikini Bandits Save Christmas are direct-to-DVD, I think.
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scoobyace
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Andy - is this another dig at "flash" and why everyone uses it instead of celaction? All I know is that major studios are useing "flash" and people in the U.S. have jobs because of it.
-peace out
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Charles
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I don't think that's the intent of Andy's question at all.
As with Flash, CelAction also has been responsible for the added employment of animation artists, and the software is used by Andrea Tran who is an award winning animator in the UK.
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Russian Judge
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I think the question has merit, and isn't disparaging of Flash in the slightest. I was surprised that a show like "Mucha Lucha" can be done mostly in Flash. (Um...I'm right, isn't it done that way?)
I would say that doing an entire theatrical feature in it would require some subtlety, and require a little more subtlety. I'd think it would need someone who was acquainted with doing some other animation feature to keep it from getting too loud or too jarring.
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Andy Blazdell
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is this another dig at "flash"
Sigh. No, it's not.
I am just doing research so that I'm as informed as possible about the animation market. What's wrong with that?
Would you prefer it if I used a pseudonym and asked this anonymously? When I join public forums I use my real name and have a link to my company's website, so that it's as obvious as possible who I am and what my motives might be. I think that's pretty fair, don't you?
And for the record, I have never dissed Flash or any other software in this forum. I have fought for recognition of other software (not just ours) when the Flash "buzzword" is used. That's actually in the interest of all animators, who should be aware of other choices.
Anyway, thanks Charles and RJ for seeing my post for what it was intended to be. ![[cheers]](graemlins/cheers.gif)
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Matt Wilson
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Chances are, even if one did, Flash wouldn't be the only product used. After Effects or Maya or Lightwave or even Swift3D would probably be used. And possibly Illustrator. I guess it really depends on how much the movie depends on recyclable assets; if it's South Park the Movie or a whimsical fairytale musical piece of crap.
I think in America, at least for the next couple of years, the only way for Flash to reach cinemas is through theatrical shorts. I wouldn't be surprised if this does happen at SOME point.
p.s. I know South Park the Movie wasn't Flash; I just needed a basic example. I don't see why South Park can't be Flash though.
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BeefQuake
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Well, there's this.
They'd better hurry to hit theaters "this fall", but I still got my fingers crossed for Flash in the multiplexes. We won't have evolved as a society until we can pay ten bucks to see a 20 foot tall swf movie.
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Andy Blazdell
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Ooh Beefquake, what a lovely snippet of information that was! Thanks! My curiosity is now piqued...
According to this Jake's Booty Call was released to cinemas on 30th April 2004. And according to this it was released 25th April 2003. Go figure.
Was this film actually made for cinema, or is it just a collection of webshorts? Did it have a film print? And did it have a proper distribution deal, or just deals with certain cinemas?
Oh, and it seems to be made by Michael Eisner's son, according to this. I'm surprised that fact didn't get more coverage on this site. ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
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Coffee Cat
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Actually, I don't know that much about CelAction. How much does it cost? What are the advantages? What is the comparison here to flash?
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Andy Blazdell
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This thread is nothing to do with CelAction, apart from the fact that I (as an employee of CelAction) started it. So in the interests of keeping this thread "pure", CoffeeCat, e-mail me and I'll tell you what you want to know.
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Norman Wong
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I don't know if these count, but 'american splendor', 'bowling for columbine', and 'euro trip' have animated sequences done in flash, but not the whole 2 hours.
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scoobyace
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Andy- I have followed your past postings and it seems that most of the "anti-flash post" have been from you.
Have you tried to push celaction? Depends on how you look at it.
I never posted that celaction was bad or did not create jobs. Why do you want to know about "Flash feature films with theatrical releases?"
I have worked on over 60, 2 1/2 min. hand drawn animated shorts in flash (the best "flash" animation ever).Also have worked on 4 feature animated films at Disney.
My point is that unless you have worked on "feature" quality animation and worked on a ton
of "flash" animated shorts, then asking "how many Flash feature films with theatrical releases?
kinda sounds like a joke.
You must have another reason for asking.
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Sketchpad
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I'm aware of one Flash feature being briefly mentioned by Otterslide here ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
The other one I'm aware of is still in production only--that being X-42 production's comedy film found here. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Andy Blazdell
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I have followed your past postings and it seems that most of the "anti-flash post" have been from you.
Scoobyace, that's just a complete lie. And anyone who wants to search for all my messages on this forum can check that for themselves.
You really insult my intelligence by thinking I'm dumb enough to undermine another company's product using my real name. I wouldn't even do it under a false name, by the way. Do unto others, and all that.
Sure, I'm opinionated, and I'll argue my side of the discussion. But "anti-Flash" I am not.
Just look at this thread, there's lots of positive news about Flash use in feature films. It's hardly "anti-Flash".
But the big question is, why do I want to know? Well, the earth-shattering answer to that is... somebody asked me, and I didn't know the answer for sure outside the UK. So I did the unthinkable and asked the people who might know. That's it. No hidden agenda. No conspiracy. Sorry it's so boring.
Scoobyace, you've made two posts in total on AN. Both of them have been against me. If you're secretly my Mother in disguise, you're not getting a present this Christmas, I can tell you.
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scoobyace
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Fair enough.....I did not post just to attack you
but to question your ethics.Why does "celaction" or you (Andy)post so many questions about your main competition animationnation?
I don't see Macromedia posting topics about celaction.
One might think that you use flash to create animation or that you have used it alot in the past.
I would love to debate or discuss "flash or animation topics, but good or bad you seem to be
the one starting alot of topics or questions about "flash".
It just does not feel right.
Later-
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scoobyace
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Fair enough.....I did not post just to attack you
but to question your ethics.Why does "celaction" or you (Andy)post so many questions about your main compatition(flash)on animationnation?
Sorry about that....
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Matt Wilson
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Why does it matter? That's my question. It's so trivial and petty to be calling him out for something like this. Let's just stick to the subject at hand.
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scoobyace
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No problem....Andy loves flash eventhough his company develops software that competes with flash
and his post or topics have no intention to promote itself in anyway.
I will take on his word. I have no problem with Andy.
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scoobyace
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But I just can't get my thoughts into the computer
the right way.
Take care Andy.
[Your comments came off as harrassment. Not a good idea to harrass members. Especially members who are in good standing on AN like Andy is.]
[ December 10, 2004, 04:52 PM: Message edited by: Mod Too ]
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Andy Blazdell
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Okay, this is my final word on this, Scoobyace, I don't want to make a big scene.
We don't compete with Flash - Toonboom Studio and The Tab compete with Flash. Our software is a high-end solution that is designed for use in studios on TV series and features. We are not seeking to impinge on Flash's marketplace.
Flash is used in some pipelines that use CelAction2D - sometimes for drawing or raster-to-vector conversion, sometimes for adding interactivity to SWF files that our software has created. We encourage its' use in these areas where appropriate.
Flash is actually very good for us, because it has helped the slow clawback of work from servicing companies overseas, and has opened the eyes of producers to the advantages of doing things in-house - which is exactly what we benefit from too.
We have a different look, pipeline and support structure to Flash. Some people want that, some people don't. That's fine by us.
I think a lot of the problem here is the difference between the UK and the US in terms of advertising. Here in the UK we don't do comparative adverts (e.g. "I prefer Advil to Tylenol"), but in the US you do - hence, anyone perceived as a "salesman" who even mentions another product is immediately suspected of having an ulterior motive. Since I'm British, the thought doesn't even occur to me, I'm just either asking questions or providing information that I think is relevant to the animation community. And I do it under my own name, because if I was anonymous, then I certainly wouldn't be surprised if my motives were questioned.
If you want to read everything I say as schadenfreude, I can't stop you. But that's not how it's intended, I assure you.
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BeefQuake
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What? A Flash feature with no "stripper-on-a-pole" scenes? No gross appropriations of "urban culture" by deluded dot-commers? Why on Earth would anyone want to see something like that! ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
When I first saw this page for "The Chosen One" I assumed it was a religious cartoon for the Veggie Tales/Davey and Goliath market. Now I'm not so sure. Good luck getting it done!
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