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Methuselah
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I was just over at an animation blog I look at on a fairly regular basis for animation tit-bits-one that has a lot of cross-over from AN. A recent entry mentions an article in the New York Times that takes its basis for discussion from that film(it deals with kids, "special/gifted" programs, etc.-the way it's superficially depicted or spoken of in "Incredibles", and extrapolates it to the current state of these matters in America). Interesting, to be sure...and the point of posting it on an animation-centered blog is to marvel at the sort of dialogue this action-adventure animated film can engender.

Then the blogger just has to add this line at the end of his entry:

"Funny--I don't remember SHREK 2 or SHARK TALE spurring thoughtful discussion of, well, anything at all..."

Jesus, was this really necessary? I'm with the guy all the way in his admiration for the Pixar film, okay? I LOVED it. I'm tickled that a line or two from Brad, and indeed a portion of his plot, deals with issues that can start a "real world" discussion among adults. But why the %$#@ take a snarky cheap shot at "Shrek 2" or "Sharktale" there? What's with the chip on the writer's shoulder over the other films? Can't they be allowed to exist in the same universe without having anything else in common besides basically entertaining the public?
Is it just so poisonous to the Greater Good of Animation that these films were produced, released and successful? Is there ROOM for more than ONE studio, or more than ONE kind of animation hit movie in the world?
I think so.

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Russian Judge
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Methuselah, maybe the writer had a bad day. That happens in the online world. Hell, I've had snarky comments left here (that Charles, in His infinite wisdom, has deleted).

I agree that this kind of snide comment is just plain wrong. I have problems with "Shark Tale" and a few issues with "Shrek 2," but I didn't feel the need to praise one film by bashing them.

But just remember that blogs are instantaneous writing, and (like the posts here) don't allow editing by the writer.

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Ganklin
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meth: i know from previous convos with you that you take great offense at any remarks leveled at certain films, and deservedly so. i admire your commitment and also see your point. i don't know the context in which the statement was made, or of the blog which you're referencing.

i know the importance of keeping healthy competition alive among the studios, both small and large. the only advice i can give you is to take that engergy and use it to drive yourself even further. remember, its only a blog and its just one guy ranting on his own soapbox. take it with a grain of salt, my friend.

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AMID
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It's CartoonBrew.com . Wasn't my post though.
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AMID
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But I do have to say, Methuselah is right: we do provide really good tit-bits.
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Scott Shaw!
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And your and Jerry's "good cop/bad cop" routine is second to none!

I think Jerry's point was that THE INCREDIBLES, in addition to being a great film, is actually ABOUT something, something very few animated movies can claim these days. Besides, Jerry is relentlessly upbeat most of the time; Amid's the harsh one!

(But I love 'em both! For that matter, Cartoon Brew is one of my very favorite sites for animation news and opinion.)

Aloha,

Scott!

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eboles
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It wasn't Jerry either.
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A. Leal
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For the record, it was Harry McCracken, current guest blogger and former editor/contributor to Animato!. And I think you're either taking this too far, or getting confused with some of the comments by Amid and Jerry on the same films. I doubt Harry has a chip on his shoulder, and in fact I'm not even sure he's seen Shark Tale. He meant it as a statement of fact, just as it's hard to imagine Spongebob Squarepants the Movie (which I just saw and enjoyed, one of the most bizarre films I've seen) engendering much in the way of academic discourse, or envoking the names of Nietzche or Ayn Rand. It's not a reflection on the film, just the subject matter, tone, and approach. It's not to imply that either film is necessarily inferior, even if it slightly dismissive.
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A. Leal
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Gad, I should have proofed that. "Invoked," not "envoked," and left out the verb "is" in the last sentence. Also should have said "reading too much into" rather than "taking this too far" (which potentially implies that I believe Methuselah is organizing protest rallies and writing to the governor or sending letter bombs, or something! Apologies, sir!)
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Methuselah
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Hey! Watch those "letter bomb" jokes, A. Leal! These are dangerous times we swim in these days. I'm all about peace & freedom, guys. And cogent criticism. [Wink]

Naw, I stand by my subject title: it's a cheap shot, nothing more, nothing less. I wasn't responding to earlier comments by Jerry or Amid on Cartoon Brew re: the two Dreamworks films mentioned. I think, if you read the blog entry, the thing speaks for itself. No, it's not a "big" deal-but it's annoyingly cheesy-and more to the point-TOTALLY pointless--to end a good link to a story about Incredibles with yet another jab at two films that have come and gone-preaching to the choir, beating a dead horse-shark?-whatever. Of course it's the blogger's privilege to do that if he likes. It's mine(so far!) to write an open "Oh, pul-eeze!" comment as a response here(you can't write comments on the Brew site). I wouldn't let it go if it were a cheap shot at Brad Bird or Pixar, either--or, for that matter, a Fleischer cartoon...or, or...you get the idea. [Smile]

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SerafinsGirl
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Hmm. I dunno. I probably wouldn't have noticed the jab or paid any mind to it. Possibly because I got used to the bashing of DreamWorks films like SharkTale right on this very forum..particularly just before the movie opened about a month and a half ago.
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