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Scott Shaw!
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I have it on excellent authority that, despite the non-stop "Attack On America" reportage, ABC still plans to air "Walt -- The Man Behind The Myth" on THE WONDERFUL WORLD OF DISNEY tonight at 7 pm (PST).

Obviously, it's a Disney-produced show on a Disney-owned network, but I think it will be significantly interesting anyway. Besides, the great Floyd Norman (who worked under Walt Disney's regime in the 1950s and 1960s) will be interviewed as part of the show, and if you've seen his gags in the latest issue of Amid Amidi's ANIMATION BLAST, you know just how cool and incisive Floyd's perspective on the Disney empire really is.

Please don't miss it!

Scott!


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I should clarify further, lest anyone think I'm blowing the horn just for Disney's sake: Floyd Norman was the first black cartoonist ever to be hired at Disney Studios. Not only has he worked on many of the studio's films (THE JUNGLE BOOK, TOY STORY 2, the upcoming MONSTERS INC.) but Floyd's also written and drawn many, many comic books, comic strips and children's books for Disney.

We've been good friends for over twenty years and I'm very proud to see this sweet and talented guy finally getting some exposure.

Scott!


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Watching the show right now...But I came in at the half way point...
Mr. Fun has glasses :) I think? And Mr. Fun looks like a really sweet guy :)

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The Walt picture was not produced by The Disney Company. It was produced by the Disney Family and they felt they had to do it in order to set the record straight.
Did you know that a majority of the youth in this country think that Walt Disney is a fictional figure, Like Betty Crocker? It's true based off a recent survey.
It was important that this film was made and I hear, will be distributed on video.
I caught the last 40 minutes and it was quite good. Can't wait to see the rest of it.

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I'm really glad that the Disney Family did this film..
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Check it out! I think any controversy this rather innocent documentary had to offer was Walt Disney's prospective hopes for a better future re: Epcot. This was originally supposed to be a place of innovation and technological wonder in which people would actually live in. It was also stated that at the end of the show Walt had his mind set on both ecological visions of the wilderness and at the same time new technologies. He believed, I would concur, in a harmonious balance between two seemingly ideological opposites. He had a dream.....to take the "magic" of his cartoons and incorporate their weirdness and bliss into society. Please, such a vision should not elicit the slightest suspicions of George Orwell's "1984", but the prospects of a better tomorrow.

Had there been more individuals in the world like Mr. Disney, we most likely would not be in the mess we are in now. And no, this is not simply idyll dreaming, but the only method out of the nightmare we are all immersed in as we speak.

Peace and get high!

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Thanks for those words, Richard. As a lifelong believer in Walt, I would tend to agree. I've been out this evening, so I set my VCR to tape this show, but I haven't watched it back yet. Nevertheless, I'd like to offer my own thoughts on Walt.

In the realm of filmmaking, Walt always strove to show us new and wonderful things we hadn't seen before. Likewise, Disneyland was his way of taking what he had learned from the film business and taking that knowledge to a new level, creating a 3-dimensional, interactive fantasy world based on the various genres of films that his studio was famous for (adventure, fantasy, western, etc.). Forget the crass Disney/MGM Studio - Disneyland was the first movie-themed park, and is still the best.

I had the pleasure of seeing the entire filmed presentation that Walt made on EPCOT when I was still working at Walt Disney World. It was truly exciting to see how this great man had visualized an ideal community of the future. Similar to his "hub" design with Disneyland, EPCOT was to feature a working city centre with "spokes" radiating out towards the surrounding living community. The ways that he imagined commuters making their way to work as well as the various transportation of goods to and from this prototype city was so practical yet fascinating. Though I enjoy EPCOT the theme park, it is a far cry from what Walt had imagined as a very real working community and I regret that his plan never saw the light of day after his death. (I don't imagine that the town of "Celebration" even comes close to attempting any of Walt's ideas.)

I'm afraid that I have never been able to be inspired in the least by the Walt Disney Company (nee Productions) under the guidance of Michael Eisner. Unlike Walt, I perceive Eisner to be a follower, not a leader. He is far more likely to jump on the bandwagon and follow whatever the popular trend of the day is, no matter how crass or crude that trend may be.

In short, I wish that Walt had lived a much longer life and that the studio were today being run by a worthy successor, able to continue along the high road that Walt had taken. Today's Disney product, whether it be films, theme parks, or otherwise, lacks the sheer joy and brilliance that is found in the legacy that Walt left us.


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Terrific documentary. A very nice follow up to: did anyone see the Ub Iwerks special? Except for Kelsey Grammer's narration (sometimes difficult to hear) it was very, very good. And I highly recommend the book!

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Brian Mitchell
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Ponsonby.....Great post and quite accurate.
When Walt passed away, Roy took on the job of seeing Project Florida completed, but the great question was EPCOT.
I believe that nobody there had a solution regarding how it would be built and how it would be supported. Some people there simply didn't believe in it. The folks there continued to do what had already been done...films, tv shows, theme parks etc. But the daring to do something different and brand new was gone.

It's funny, but the same thing happened with Snow White and Disneyland. People told Walt that they couldn't be done, including people from within his organization. He went ahead and did them anyway..and succeeded.
The Walt Disney Studio that I knew, was a place of great experimentation. It was a world all of its' own that created reality from impossible dreams. And most of those dreams died with it's founder on December 15, 1966.


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The main impression I got from watching this special was something I didn't really expect. I've had a sort of unexamined image of Walt in my head for a long time now as either a brusque scowling profane taskmaster (a portrait derived from reading a couple of unfavorable biographies and the sour grapes reminiscences of disgruntled colleagues) alternating with the somewhat artificial persona of "Uncle Walt" from the TV shows he (apparently unwillingly) hosted during my childhood. Clearly, neither accurately represents the man.

The new footage here (supplied out of home movies) was both touching and revealing. The extent of his love for his family, the difficulty of balancing the demands of his work and professional aspirations with those of his domestic life were much in evidence. And though I am sure there was a lot of judicious culling of the footage, what was on display here was a man who loved to laugh (and cut-up in front of a camera.)

My favorite clip was a piece showing Walt recording Mickey's voice. At first appearing slightly nervous and uncomfortable, he transforms in front of the mike, and the emerging voice is suddenly pure, innocent, naive and heartfelt; and for me, it transformed him in my mind instantly and forever.

No matter what one might think of the course his company has taken in his absence, the 20th century and your life and mine were made better by his being here. This film may not serve as the last word on the subject, but it was a fitting tribute nonetheless, especially in the light of what the 21st century has brought us.


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I really enjoyed the program but was it just me or did they seem to jump from one topic to another rather abruptly at times... I think they really tried to pack as much as they could into the 2 hours when really they needed 4 even 6 (you could spend 2 hours on Disneyland alone). I was surprised no mention was made about the inital failure of Fantasia and the effect it had on Walt and the studio.... still it was a good presentation.. you realize watching it just how much he achieved during his lifetime.. quite incredible....

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And now for something completly different:
And the end of the progam it said Walt had been cremated. I had always been under the impression that he was cryogencially frozen. Is this a myth or did they decide to lie so that the progam wouldn't end with this odd tidbit of information? Just curious.

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Ryan,
There are so many Disney rumors that the popular snopes.com site has pages on it:
http://www.snopes2.com/disney/disney.htm

He wasn't frozen, an illegitimate child, or dishonorably discharged.


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I'm glad that we can talk about this DOC on Walt Disney...and that we are just talking about animation again...
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I totally forgot it was on and caught the last half of it. I was very delighted by the film, especially since I had heard some not so good words on it before hand. I was really touched. It helped me remember why I wanted to become an animator and work for Disney. It was really nice to shed a tear for something moving and happy this week. I just get all emotional about Uncle Walt. I really wish I had been around when he was alive. The man inspires me and I thank him for it.

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Walt was optimistic...everything was going to get better, tomorrow is wonderful and is something to look forward to.
I got caught up in all
that too,... he has inspired me my whole life.

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When I was a child, one of the worst days of my life was during the sixties. I was watching a little black and white TV in my parents room when an announcer came on and said "Today. Walt Disney died". Adults will remember Kennedys death , children Walt Disney. I cried so hard I stayed in that room for hours alone. I wasn't crying for myself but all the children who would never know the wonder of what living with the dream of Walt Disney brought. Someone who cared about children.

Years earlier my sister and I had sent weeks our allowance into a fund for a little girl with cancer. She was our age. She knew she was dying and she only had one wish. To see Disneyland. That is what it, no that was what he mean't to children. . No pain, no hurt, just the celebrated joy of the wonder of life. She died, but she got to see it. She got to be there. We knew because they printed a thank you in our local paper, even had our names (we only had 5 dollars between us but they printed it none the less). Wasn't important really but it let us know she got it, like she knew we understood that wish. WAs Walt Disney was a perfect man ? Probably not but then who is. Still some of what he did was incredibly perfect.


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The thing I find most fascinating about Walt Disney is the dichotomy about him. The darker aspects of his personality, which have been well chronicled by now, don't negate the positive things he has done in his life, nor does his achievements truely excuse his negatve elements. It's refreshing: despite everything, he's still very human, with all the glory and flaws that come with the territory.

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Brian Mitchell
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The darker aspects of his personality? What was that? Pushing his people for better work?
Smoking? Building a backyard train layout?!?You must have read some of the highly inaccurate biographies that have come out over the years. The purpose of this film was to tell it like it was and I'm sure the companion book will accomplish this even better. Walt had flaws, like we all do, but that tag 'Hollywoods' Dark Prince' was absolutely ridiculous.

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"Hollywoods Dark Prince" was halarious. I laughed out loud (embarrasing myself in a library) upon discovering the book's cover. Walt Disney's kindly picture with ominous flames in the background.

---But yeah, that documentary was hard core. The home movie footage was awesome. If only his vision of the future could come to pass. I'm first in line for the DVD. But I have a question for y'all---Why does the town of "Celebration" exist? Who thought of it, and for what purpose?

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The Dark Prince of Hollywood was hilarious. It was painfully obvious when he was conjecturing, and when he was apparently copying information verbatim from other sources. The info on Walt's anti-semitism and parentage rang scary false. But the information on the Union Strike, and it's aftermath was mostly accurate--and the most in depth coverage of the strike in print today. However, the strike info read like plagerism from another reliable source (probably the Union!). The style of the writing changes wildly in the book...and it's mostly trash.
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I love Walt Disney.

There's a book I found while sniffing through the stacks at Dutton's on Magnolia in Burbank. It's called "Remembering Walt" by Amy Boothe Green and Howard E. Green with a Foreward by Ray Bradbury. Published in 1999.

When I got it, I couldn't put it down. It's full of photos and little anecdotes about this great man by those who knew him best. His family and the people that worked with him.

The strength of his character comes through in the photos of him when he was old, close to the time of his death. There's this close up of him. You see all of his wrinkles and how worn out he was. Yet in his tired eyes that magic spark still burned and he still had that smile.

The intimacy of this photo really struck me and every time I look at it, I'm amazed at how a man of his stature, after all of his accomplishments, could be so honest and open with the world by letting someone take a picture of him like this at such close range. Maybe it was his way of saying goodbye.

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Why does the town of "Celebration" exist? Who thought of it, and for what purpose?

Well EPCOT Center (although its now just Epcot...not all caps and the letters supposable mean nothing anymore..isn't that great) tried to loosly realise some of Walt's original vision by showcasing technology and dreams of future living...(life in sea bases..the countries of the world living together in peace)..Celebration loosly realises his vision of a community where families would live and work..its a nice place...very pricey...but its really just a planned community (and there are lots of them out there) that the Disney Company is said to have had a hand in..it was built on Disney owned land but im pretty sure they sold it/turned it back over to the county.....

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I just wanted to thank Charles for his comments on Walt Disney. You were right about the tired eyes and the magic spark that still burned in them.

Sure, he was tough. He wanted the best no matter what it cost. He didn’t care about the money. Can you imagine anything like that today? Today it’s all about the money.

Finally, the company that continually offers lip service about the Disney legacy didn’t even produce the show.


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The whole Celebration thing,from what I've gathered in the past was a huge fiasco. There were all kinds of building code violations,the places were literally falling apart.I may be mistaken, but there might have been a lawsuit attempted...(against Disney..??Good Luck!) People were paying relatively large sums of money(for Florida)to buy these homes and live the prototypical the "Disney Dream". It was the first thing I thought of when I saw "The Truman Show". Well, I doubt this was ANYTHING like Walt had envisioned,if he had even thought of anything remotely resembling this at all. It was probably more like something Eisner's corporate machine had envisioned. Creepy.
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Er, I never called him "Hollywood's Dark Prince", Brian, nor have I read that book. My knowledge of Disney generally comes from animation history books, rather than biographies. The books include anecdotes that illustrated different aspects oh his personality, both positive and negative. This is why I was deliberately being vague, rather than citing examples. My post was not meant to be an attack on Walt Disney. Quite the opposite in fact: It makes me respect him that much more.

I'm sorry if I came across as being disrespectful or spiteful of Mr. Disney, or his legacy.

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Brian Mitchell
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I put that 'Hollywood Dark Prince' in your mouth....sorry.
Walt Disney's life has been under the microscope ever since he passed away, with certain individuals trying to unearth a speck of dirt to exploit. The truth is.... they never find anything, so they fabricate stories or try to psychoanalyze his personality through his films and parks.
The 'darkest' part of Walt was that he was a hard worker and he expected his staff to work just as hard as he did.

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