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Topic: Who to Blame?
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Animation Pimp
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Sorry..the reply button got pressed too early.Let me explain a bit more. God (whatever form you've envisioned) is blindly invoked throughout this panel (and in the world in general). "god given freedom"? What the heck does this mean? Are you saying that God has chosen the United States over everyone else? That seems a bit strange to me. Seems more accurate to suggest that the apparent freedom you've attained has come through self-interest. It has come in the name of economics. U.S. foreign policies are making the world better for corporations not for god. Secondly...Umm....wouldn't Jesus have turned the other cheek? Wouldn't according to some of you christians, the people who jumped to their deaths be going right to hell for taking their own lives? I'm not directing this just at Western plutocracies...the same can be said of your those who committed this act and those (including the west) who've committed acts like these throughout history. Was the slaughter of Native Americans, god's command? Was the bombing of Hiroshima for God? God, whatever concept you have of him/her/it, has probably done more damage to this world than any of us care to admit or imagine. The people who died this week will be better served by all of us re-thinking our actions and preconceptions about the world. If we do not (and I include myself because I'm as guilty as anyone) we will see more lives lost in the apparent name of god. It takes more umm...balls (as Malcolm so nicely put it) to just sit back and re-think your life than it does to get to let yourself be enveloped by hate and anger. Punching your neighbour doesn't take balls.
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Paul D
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You are making no distinction between people (politicians, extremists, terrorists, etc.)who envoke "God on our side" and people with the faith in God that makes this planet and humanity more whole.Bob McClure was a doctor in China during the second world war. A very religious man who was spending his days mending wounded men, women and children who had been mutilated by landmines and unexploded shells. He took a crash course in bomb defusion from some soldiers and spent his spare time finding and defusing landmines... at a time when there was a very low survival rate for that kind of work. Ghandi, Mother Theresa, and so many more people have done beautiful and wonderful things in the name of their God. I may not share their faith but can honor what they have done and honor why they have done it. Again... there is a very important distinction to make which you did not.
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That is true...I should have made a distinction. I guess what I'm saying is less about the existence of God and more about the often hypocritical and superficial interpretations of this belief.
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ClosetAni1
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Taking massive life and then expecting your enemy to "turn the other cheek" is a cold-blooded tactic, not a religious philosophy. It would have been nice if the hijackers had turned the other cheek. You would like Americans to feel like the guilty party here. These are not the kind of acts that deserve understanding. This was an attack on the WTC, and therefore not only an attack on America, but on people from all over the world. 500 British citizens alone have been lost. Neither Britain, nor Germany, nor Canada can afford to sit back and smugly say this is America's problem caused by America's interests. Your fellow citizens are in danger too. I'm happy to find that at least the governments of those countries are behind the US, even if some of its people are not.
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What you don't seem to understand Jumper Go is that the US didn't want to be the worlds policeman but that oither countries wouldn't. No money, no support. This has nothing to do with that at all. These people kill their own families, they kill their friends, their allies hey kill their own people. They are as bad or worse as any tyrant the US tried to keep relations with for the stability of the area, I'm pretty tired of the "oh you should expect this sort of thing" . And no, as a Canadian I can tell you that most outsider DON"T think this comes with the job. There are no political motivations to this it is wholesale murder . period. Where is the political message ? There isn't any.None. It's murder outright for the sake of murder.
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Animation Pimp
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There are no political motivations to this it is wholesale murder . period. Where is the political message ? There isn't any.None. It's murder outright for the sake of murder.[/QB][/QUOTE]Are you describing U.S. actions as well? Korea. Vietnam. Iraq. Sudan. Let us also not forget the inactions. We talk about what the U.S. has done, but we often neglect to mention what it has not done (East Timor...because of course they were supporting Indonesia). The U.S. picks and chooses who it will protect. Usually (as we've seen with Iraq) this depends on economic interests. What are those direct and indirect actions? Political? What about the innocent people the U.S. has murdered? Should we just forget this Dave? Should we all of sudden forget the past? Not one of us here accepts or condones what happened on Tuesday, but there is are historical activities that have links to this dreadful attack. TO just ignore those is absolutely foolish. That you call U.S. actions policing is absolutely ignorant and insulting to ALL victims of terrorism. As a Canadian, no a human being, what I support is a stance against terrorism and that includes U.S. terrorism.
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jenner
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On the topic of God I will agree with you, AP, and say that there are many hypocrits in the world, many americans who use God's name to bless america, and then use the same name to curse the terrorists and our circumstance. That doesn't make any sense to me. But I will say,.. don't look to the people for answers about God. People fall down everyday. Let's invision God as an artist for a moment. God has a plan, I believe, for everybody. Your life and this world is a painting that God is still creating. God is big and so is his canvas. We are very small. I say, how dare we stand with our nose pressed against His canvas and declare it a mess. In the end this will make sense, but right now I think we just have to trust in that. Because right now we are focusing on a very small peice of the painting. God exists and He doesn't believe in Atheists. Peoples lives get cut short and we demand to know why. Don't you think that's a little arogant?
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Twedzel
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That is a terrifying peice. Please don't let these guys ever get into power again.
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Codrick
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The article I posted above have quotes from the ilk who want so badly to believe they represent the vast majority of christians in this country. Of course, they don't--but they do own some of the major arteries to power now running our country. I don't doubt for a second that should they ever have their way, they'd begin persecuting all who don't believe in what they believe or say. All I can say is I'm glad no one really takes them seriously. Such sick opportunists. AND--did you know that Pat Robertson even said "God told me this was going to happen 11 days ago." Yes, Robertson is an avid occultist who heard this from "god" and failed to notify authorites. Maybe HE should take a large part of the blame himself! (grrrrr....)
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