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Sparkie the Wondersnail
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Just wanted to let you know that the Canadian government has reacted to WTC action. All the international airports were closed to outgoing flights. Only incoming planes routed from U.S. and those past the point of return were allowed to land. The CN tower was evacuated and closed to tourists as well as having all the tall buildings evacuated and told people to go home. Basically Downtown Toronto was closed. The TTC had to put on full rush hour service at noon and GO buses were packed.

Even though we are a totally different country being a neighbour has definite consequences.

Blood doner clinics are collecting blood and hospitals are on alert in Toronto. Security companies are on alert. Any available rescue teams are being sent.

My hopes are that they get everyone out that are trapped inside the rubble with no more casualties. It will take many years for New York to recover. My greatest fear today was that any minute George W. would declare war on some country. THankfully he is waiting until all the info is in and is focusing on relief to New York and Washington.


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Twedzel
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That and most Canadians were in mourning with our Southern brothers and sisters.
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Even though I'm originally Canadian(from waaay back),having lived here for so long I am very touched by the kind and sympathetic words and actions from my fellow countrymen.
You do us "transplants" proud! Thankyou.

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My sister phoned from Hamilton today and the schools were closed as international flights to New York were rerouted to Hamilton Airport and Toronto. The populace of Hamiltion are getting ready to take in stranded passengers from those flights. She wanted you all to know how crushed the Canadians are and how much they are all mourning along with the entire US and the rest of the free world.
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As far as I'm concerned, Canada is the best and purest representation of the "free world" on this planet. I could only wish that national spirit still resided in this country.

No doubt, the U.S. is not an innocent power. We need to return to the kind of purity Canada shows. Canada does what's best for Canada. We should do the same for ourselves.


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I bet the French Quebec would like to Purify Canada...
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I hope nobody construed the word "purity" to have any racial undertones. I'm talking about purity of freedom. What Alan Keyes referred to in his book, "The Masters of the Dream."
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Dear Pudd.... correction.. . the United States joined Great Britain and Canada in World War 2 ... and correct me if I'm wrong..not until Pearl Harbour?.. you know what a great war time film is?... the 49th Parellel..here's some info from the Internet Movie Data Base.. hope you find it interesting... see this movie for the amazing shots of Banff from way back when!


Directed by
Michael Powell

Writing credits
Rodney Ackland (dialogue)
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Plot Outline: A WW2 U-boat crew is stranded in northern Canada. To avoid internment, they must make their way to the border and get into the still-neutral USA. (more)

Cast overview, first billed only:
Richard George (I) .... Captain Bernsdorff
Leslie Howard .... Philip Armstrong Scott
Raymond Massey (I) .... Andy Brock
Raymond Lovell .... Lieutenant Kuhnecke
Laurence Olivier .... Johnnie
Anton Walbrook .... Peter
Peter Moore (I) .... Kranz
Glynis Johns .... Anna
Finlay Currie .... Albert, the Factor
Basil Appleby .... Jahner
Eric Clavering .... Art
Charles Victor .... Andreas
Frederick Piper .... David
Ley On .... Nick
Tawera Moana .... George, the Indian
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(gavin@thepsychoticreaction.fsnet.co.uk)
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Date: 2 July 2001
Summary: Subtle and intelligent analysis of liberal democracy

Although 49th Parallel was conceived as a wartime propaganda film, and is predictably heavy-handed in places, it is more often surprisingly subtle and ambivalent. Michael Powell's creativity, individuality and directorial skill lift the film above the standard flag-waving banality which might be expected from the genre.

Although the general point of the film, particularly aimed at the Americans, is that the Nazis are evil and should be opposed, Nazis are in fact the central characters, and it could be argued that Lt. Hirth (Eric Portman) is the hero. Although he is clearly not a nice person and displays many of the cliched trappings of the stereotypical evil Nazi, he is portrayed sympathetically in some ways. It is possible to sympathise with him and his men because they are lost and alone in a foreign country which they cannot comprehend and where no-one can comprehend them. The war is shown not as a simple battle between absolute good and absolute evil, but as a clash of cultures. Hirth belongs to a German tradition of loyalty, obedience and service to the state which is much older than Hitler. He genuinely cannot understand the concepts of democracy, liberalism and individualism, and is completely bewildered by the lifestyle of the Hutterite community, asking not only "who is your leader?" but "what's the salute?". He is an idealist who believes that he and the rest of the Nazis know what is best for everyone. In Powell's view, the war is not just about democracy against dictatorship, but also liberalism against authoritarianism, individualism against conformity and, above all, pragmatism against idealism.

The way the conflict is illustrated through the German sailors' encounters with diverse Canadians is subtle, intelligent and highly effective. The Canadians are not portrayed as heroes. They have very human failings. They are mostly complacent, ignorant, and hypocritical. They try to bury their heads in the sand and pretend the war isn't happening until they are forced to make a decision by their unexpected encounters with Hirth and his men. Johnny, the French-Canadian fur trapper (Laurence Olivier, horribly miscast), comes across as arrogant and obnoxious, and seemingly has little interest in the war. Scott (Leslie Howard) is appallingly smug, hypocritical and self-absorbed, avoiding involvement in the war by retreating to the Rocky Mountains. Although he is fashionably disdainful of the Nazi leaders, he is unmoved by what they have done in Europe. He is only shaken out of his complacency when the Germans vandalise his books and paintings! Significantly, Hirth crows that " we kicked him out of the Reich years ago" as he burns Thomas Mann's latest book. Scott must have been aware of the sufferings of Thomas Mann and others in Nazi Germany, but felt no need to do anything about it.

The overall result is that although the individual Canadians are not heroic, they eventually make up their minds and join the fight against Nazism (as Powell hoped the Americans would). They each have their own reasons for this, reasons which are often selfish, ambiguous and prosaic. In this, they are the antithesis of the disciplined and idealistic Hirth. It is made clear that those who oppose the Nazis are not merely fighting out of blind loyalty to their countries, but nor are they fighting for any abstract ideal. Democracy is not portrayed as an ideal, but as a pragmatic solution: the worst system apart from all the others. The liberal democratic society of the western world is shown up as a mess, but it is a reasonably happy mess. It is superior to the nightmare of Nazi Germany precisely because it is pragmatic, flexible and individualistic. People are free to live their lives as they choose without an authoritarian government telling them what is best for them. For these reasons, 49th Parallel has an enduring resonance.

Vogel's defection to the Hutterites emphasises the humanity of the Germans and the fact that they were not all enthusiastic Nazis. But ironically, in leaving the Nazis, Vogel loses his sense of duty and becomes as hypocritical and self-obsessed as the Canadians. Although Vogel is not sympathetic to the Nazi cause and shows remorse for his involvement with it, he is not proposing to fight against it. He merely wants to hide from reality with the Hutterites and carry on baking bread, regardless of the outside world. His wish to go back to "how things used to be" is essentially the wish of an adult overwhelmed by reality to return to childhood. In this sense, as well as in the more literal military and legal senses, he is a deserter.

Overall, this is an exceptional film, despite some wooden acting and poor continuity, which gives the impression of drastic and ill-advised cuts. For example, in one scene the Germans are stealing a car, and in the next scene they are on a train, with no clue given as to what happened in between. It is not properly explained how the remaining two escaped from the crowd in Banff, and it seems far too easy for Hirth to get on to a plane and fly to Ontario. The scenery is magnificent (and magnificently shot) and the action is genuinely exciting, although the ending is completely absurd. 49th Parallel works as art and entertainment as well as propaganda, in contrast to Nazi films of the same era. The propaganda element is subtle and intelligent, making wider points which are still relevant today. The ultimate testament to the superiority of western liberal democracy is the fact that this film was made in the way it was and allowed to be shown. In an authoritarian dictatorship, Powell would most likely have been shot for treason for making a "propaganda" film so ambivalent and unflattering to the cause it was meant to promote. Narrow minded Nazis (like Hirth) would have been unable to grasp the deeper truths and humanist values at its heart.


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Paul D
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quote:
Originally posted by pudd:
Canada did what was best for Canada by joining the United States during WW2.Very proud to be in America.

Canada was fighting in Europe in 1939... three years before the Americans entered the war.

.... but that's not really important now!

Prime Minister Cretien has already spoken with President Bush and stated that Canada will support America in whatever course of action they take. I don't think that there is anything unclear about that.

It seems to me that war is inevitible. I suspect that American (and maybe even Nato) troops will march, fight and occupy territory in order to find and destroy the people who are responsible for what has happened. I also think that this is going to spread! The middle east, Pakistan and India, and maybe more domestic attacks in the US. This is a tragedy! And it is not over!

I am very sad.

I hope I am wrong! After all... I'm just a cartoonist!


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Twedzel
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You are right Canadian forces were allready part of allied forces fighting in Europe early in the war 1939-45, and its not because of some heroic pride, but because we were still a British colony at the time and fighting along side the British army against a direct threat to it. And it was the US who joined the fight after the attack on Pearl harbour in 1941.
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thanks for the history back up guys.. hey Tom Sito is the one to ask when it comes to history questions... don't forget to check out the film.. Sir Lawrence Oliver plays a french canadian lumber jack.
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Paul D
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NATO's Article Five was just invoked.

Very simply put... this policy statement means an attack from abroad on one NATO member country is considered an attack on all 19 member countries (this includes terrorsim.) Canada and the other 17 NATO member countries now stand ready to go to assist the US. This is the first time in NATO's history that this article has been envoked.

At the same time... there is nothing in NATO to prevent the US to act unilaterally.

Now... what happens.


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17 countries have agreed that this was an act of murder and that all of them will fight. This is history. A holy war on who ever did this (they already have found the car in Boston that brought the murderers to the airport, they have picked up two subjects at the hotel they stayed at and have recovered their flight manuals and training material) .
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I might be wrong, but there was a report on CNN that The FBI and Tactical police had stopped a commuter train and were boarding it....I haven't heard anything since!
Anyone else heard of this!??

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I just wanted to respond to wondersnails mention of blood donor clinics....I went to one in downtown T.O last night and there were hundreds of people in line waiting to donate.....so many in fact, that the attendants were telling people to come back later. The response to help was really moving!
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As a Canadian I am very glad that All of Nato has agreed to assist the United states in this matter. And I guess it basically means that troops and aid from all 19 Nato countries will be involved. Whomever the target of aggression is will have to contend with much more than the US (as if that is not a formidable enough opponent on its own). Right now I think Arafat is having many sleepless nights knowing that he is most likey just been put between a very large rock and a rather hard, hard place. (no wonder he looked so shooken up on TV) The US has made it quite clear that any country who is harbouring or aiding the people responsible will be... um leveled... Now to complicate matters Arafat also has to consider the heart of his own people, many of whom regard individuals like Bin Laudin a hero and regard him as the center of their spiritual world. Giving him up is like giving up Jesus (Please note NO other conection between the two other than the social implication). He's screwed.

I still wonder if the terrorists responsible even concieved they would have caused this much damage. I'm sure more than a few are scared that they may have pushed a little too far this time, because it has been made quit clear they won't be able to hide behind a host country this time. Mabey they don't feel this, but I still like to think it.


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I just wanted to say that I am a Canadian currently supervising a show over here in China, and the chinese reaction here is quite mixed. I've heard more than once from some people on the street that what happened in N.Y. was "good news". On the other hand, it's amazing even after all the problems with the plane collision in China, the majority of chinese people are appalled at what happened, and I saw on the news that the Chinese president is behind Bush 100%!

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Striker that's good to hear.. I haven't heard any reports from China at all.
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Over 100 000 people today on Parliment Hill in Ottawa for a rememberance service.

It was quite a sight.


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