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Gabe
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I am a 25 year old student in his first year at Max the Mutt animation school in Toronto.

But according to Reg Hartt, if I want to become a REAL cartoonist, I've got to get the hell outta animation school and into a studio where I can "learn as I earn".

I've got all the technical skills of a bananna slug. I don't know how to work a camera any more than I know how to give a prostate exam to a yak.

But I can draw, and I can tell a joke.

So, if you want someone who's willing to bust their ass, bite the bullet, work dirt cheap and let you kick him around as you will just so he can have the privelage of working for a real cartoon studio, I'm your boy.

I only hope John Kricfalusi is reading this.

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Ravenshoe
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Reg is an 'interesting' individual. But I would not take his advice literally. Also, don't volunteer to be kicked around a studio - because there are people out there who will certainly take you up on your offer.

If you want to draw, then draw. If you're in school, stay there until you finish the program, unless a paying job comes along. Learn as much as you can - but you won't do it by being someone's "Joe boy".

Good luck.


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Ravenshoe's right. It's coming back to me now. Take what he says with a grain of salt. Enjoy his screenings, but definitely don't change your life over his opinions.

His pre-screening rants used to get so out of control at some of his old shows, that they became downright embarrasing. And the sermons he used to print on the back of his posters were pretty strange.

Reg is an inspired, driven fella, for sure, and I normally wouldn't knock him, but if he's telling kids he doesn't even know to "get the hell out of school", he's going too far. He's not an animator. He doesn't draw. The directors Reg worships didn't go to school, sure, but that's partly cuz there WERE no animation schools then.

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I remember when at Sheridan, Reg Hartt was invited to come & show us Snow White (since he had a copy with the 'soup' sequence PT cut into it). I recall that in his speech before showing the film, he stated that it was a classic that stood the test of time - because there were shadows in every scene!

I guess in a way he's right, - if this is the level of education you get at animation school, get out!


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Hockey Frog
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Sheridan lets him lecture? You're right, GET OUT!!

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Oops, I feel a rat for that last post, quoting a guy from 20 years ago when he isn't even here to defend his words, my appologies.

I would stay in school even if it's for just for getting to know other aspiring animators like yourself, (some of who will probably become life long friends), which for me was the biggest bonus of an education. In the end you have to weigh what you hear & think for yourself though.


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Ravenshoe
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I was being charitable when I said that Reg was "interesting". He was also pretty damn frightening. He had this HUGE dog and he locked us into his theatre during his rant.

And if you knew what was good for you, you agreed with everything he said...


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Silverthorn said:
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Oops, I feel a rat for that last post

How matoor of you Mssr. Silver. Yes, I agree with you, but someone also has to defend those impressionble youngsters when a guy as charismatic and attention-getting like Hart tells them a blanket statement like "get out of school". That, to me, is not good advice.

Someone on another thread recommended taking a good look at the teachers before attending their school. I recommend taking a good look at Hart before you start blindly believing what he says.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by silverthorn:
[QB]I remember when at Sheridan, Reg Hartt was invited to come & show us Snow White (since he had a copy with the 'soup' sequence PT cut into it).

I was there, this was in the mid 80's right. He was so full of himself it was unbelieveable. I sat in the first row and actually told him, "We have to hear you speak..." But much of what he said was corrected by Zack Schwartz, who fortunately was working at the Disney studio's during Snow White

Reg is a hippie dropout-faculty member, and I use that term loosely, from the notorious Rochdale College, but his incredible film collection apparently gives him the power to say what he thinks he knows about animation and film...

surprised some american studio didn't hire him as their recruiter during the boom....


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quote:
Originally posted by silverthorn:

I would stay in school even if it's for just for getting to know other aspiring animators like yourself, (some of who will probably become life long friends), which for me was the biggest bonus of an education..


speaking of which, can you spare me some cutter, me brother? I feel like waking up with a man in my mouth.
How 's tricks, Gilgamesh??


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Hockey Frog
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Eek

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silverthorn
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Eek is right. How ironic, Pancake, I was animating the legend of Gilgamesh this very moment. It'll be all on 1's with each frame being a masterpiece in oils worthy of the Lôuvër. Must get cracking, it's going to require over 9 hours in screen time to tell the story right.
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Heigh-ho, Silver - sounds like you need an assistant. Can I help out if you promise to kick me around the studio?
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Gabe
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Thanks for your insights fellahs.

I guess you're right. Reg is a brilliant man, but it doesn't take a PhD is Psych to see that he's not all there when it comes to dealing with the outside world.

Still, there's an old saying, "Every man is my teacher". And I suppose the best thing to do is learn from him what I can, and use it as it would best serve me.

Y'gotta admit, though, he's one charismatic old bastard.

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Ravenshoe
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So Reg is still doing The Epic of Gilgamesh - but now in oils. I remember when he was a purist, doing it purely as a pencil test.

A 9 hour pencil test.

And the titles were going to be in San Serif lettering.

He was absolutely fixated on San Serif lettering.


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silverthorn
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Was just thinking the other day how I wished I had a Boy Wonder to kick around the cave. Welcome back old chum.

Yes Ravenshoe, when I heard the story in the mid-eighties, it was to be oil paintings on canvas, (I can't recall the dimensions, but each frame was to be massive). (No mention of the lettering). I shoulda gone to Rochdale, the dope must have been incredible.


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Hockey Frog
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I must commend you fellows on tactfully keeping RH's legacy in somewhat of a code. If the world knew the whole truth...well, let's just return to our warm hobbles secure in the knowledge we are safe one more day.

By the way, Silver, are you needing any Japan dryer for the oils? I've got a shxtload left over from college.

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Giving a Yak a prostate exam is quit easy... It's all in the wrist.
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What a coincidence - my wrist and I are working on a yak as we speak. Holy hibernation, it's good to be out of the cave. It's a hell of a reunion over here, but we're missing our captains, my captain.

Speaking of things past, Thorny, Koffdrops and I still have your pogo schtick. I'll have to bounce it over to you some time.


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Roger that, Wunderkind, put the possum in the pork & beans with the Yak, & we'll have Koffdrops for lunch soon. 10-4
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I havent been around for a while!
But this is one interesting thread!
I hope some of the Max the Mutt students did go to lecture of Charlie Bonifacio's. Which was held over a week ago downtown Toronto!
I think you would get alot out of what Mr. Bonifacio has to say about drawing for animation!
I was there and it was great to just listen what he had to say about animation!

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Reg Hartt
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Check out

AGAINST SCHOOL -
How public education cripples our kids, and why
By John Taylor Gatto - September 2003, Harpers Magazine

John Taylor Gatto is a former New York State and New York City Teacher of the Year and the author, most recently, of 'The Underground History
of American Education'.

http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/hp/frames.htm
While you are there download Gatto's expolsive UNDERGROUND HISTORY OF AMERICAN EDUCATION.

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The article is talking about the secondary school system, which is very different from post-secondary education. Just as the education received from a Technical College is quite different than a University education.

As with any thing in life, the quality of the experience is dependent on the quality of the individuals involved. Good teachers in the post-secondary system have a passion for animation, stay informed, and have developed the skills needed to communicate that knowledge in a teaching style that will match a student's learning style.

The work environment is not a learning environment.The purpose of a work environment is to generate wealth. That means everyone there main concern is putting food on their table, or a Porche in their driveway. It's not about what they can do for you, it's about what you can do for them.

I don't have time to finish this post right now, maybe later ...


[The thread is ancient. Please start a new one to discuss topic.]

[ November 16, 2005, 09:28 AM: Message edited by: Mod Too ]

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