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Charles
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Judging from both unique visits and the high amount of repeat visits this thread is getting, it appears there's alot of interest in the topic.

Three days into it and the media coverage hasn't let up.

Feel free to post your own comments and sentiments if you like, I'm sure there's many people here who are saddened by the death of Michael Jackson.

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Paburrows, growing up we would sing that song from the Music Man every day on our way to school in the mornings. We didn't know the lyrics, so we'd sing "Gary Indiana Gary Indiana Gary Indiana" over and over again, making up words until the part where it goes "there is just one place that can light my face", and "our home sweet home".

Gary's musical legacy, especially our high school marching bands that I referred to earlier in the topic, were one of the reasons why our city figured as prominently as it was in 'Music Man'.

Incidentally, Ron Howard who sings Gary Indiana in the movie, is a native of Burbank! In fact, the high school he attended is a short walk from where I'm writing this. Funny how some things in life turn out to be connected.

Did you know that Michael Jackson, the greatest entertainer of all time, couldn't read or write music? That's what's been reported, the source of which seems to come from Quincy Jones. He was a complete natural, it just flowed from him.

In addition to this kid from Gary winding up owning the Beatles' music and creating the biggest selling album of all time, he also married Elvis Presley's daughter.

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It's going to take a long time to sift through this event. What news may come may be disturbing but if it turns into a way for others to live then MJ's passing will not be in vain.

I was going to write a long post but just can't til I simmer down a might.

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Just saw my first post MJ fight. Girl behind the counter at the coffee shop got tired of dude in front of the counter dissin' MJ. She warned him to stop and he kept needling her until I had to step in. He backed off and she was still hot under the collar and spent 5 minutes discussing why she admired MJ.

Two pals of mine I've known for years showed glee at MJ's passing and to tell you the truth, I've had to re-evaluate our friendships not because the don't like MJ but the reasons behind it. It's tough to find out a friend has been a bigot all these years and that's the kind of friend that ain't a friend.

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Greg- I agree. It's been very frustrating hearing and reading the snarky, cruel, insensitive comments and bad humor about Jackson's death. We really are becoming an empty, soulless society.
I was at a club last night that was playing non-stop Michael Jackson, and seeing a packed floor of people dancing, smiling and crying along to those classic songs restored a little faith. It was beautiful.
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Michael Jackson and his antics were the butt of many jokes during his lifetime, and in death I see no pause for those.

His antics & art made him who he was, for good or ill. His art is what will endure.

Some people find it hard to not cry at times like this. I don't. He left behind such an immense legacy--it would take anyone else 10 lifetimes to achieve what he achieved in one.

All his music, and his few films. . .it's almost like he NEVER LEFT. . .

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Not even when James Brown died was there this much raw emotion, come to think of it.

But it will give way to singing and dancing, even comic bewilderment.

Mourn for a minute. Celebrate for a day! (Or a year, as it may turn out to be.)

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Shane and all, the haters are way outnumbered by the outpouring of love for him. Don't let it get ya down.

In ancient Egypt, the belief was that when you died, you were asked 2 questions at your judgement. If your answers were in the affirmative, you could progress to paradise. The first was, "Did you live a joyous life?". The second question was "Did you bring joy to the lives of others?"

Michael Jackson enriched the lives of people the world over with his music. If anyone can say they brought joy to people's lives, he can.

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Here's a couple more video links I discovered. They are of Michael Jackson the last time he visited his hometown in June, 2003.

Here he is at his boyhood home. You can see him walking out of the house. He's not hard to miss with his black and white umbrella. At the beginning of the video, that's somewhere on the Roosevelt High School grounds, then it progresses to his house.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpvCWCUiI0k

Remember the photo of those kids I posted on page 1 of this thread? Here's Michael Jackson at City Hall in Gary on the day of his visit in 2003. The photo of Gary from 1969 was taken less than a block from this place, just behind City Hall. That tenement isn't there anymore but City Hall is. It's remarkable to see Michael Jackson visit so close to the spot where the photo was taken.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiDxh0cuUCE

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More footage of Michael Jackson at Gary's City Hall in 2003. Notice the brick building in the background behind him at around 2 minutes of the video. That's the old Gary National Bank building at 5th and Broadway. That's where my dad did his banking and where I opened my very first bank account. At one of the upper floors, that's where our family dentist was, where I went to the dentist as a kid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBcYMlNHhkw

Half a block in the other direction from where the video is shot in relation to that building is where I caught the train to Chicago to commute to art school.

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Shane Glines, you've got even more of my respect and admiration.

Well said.

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Chris Rock said it best..
"We love Michael so much, we let the first kid slide..."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Er1Pm37yX08

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All you have to do is put on the radio or watch MTV its undeniable his influence to a whole generation of musicians and music. I have to say every time a MJ song comes on the radio I shake my butt or just want to bust out dancing. its infectious.

He was such a huge part of my childhood and first memories of dance hits.

He also was able to laugh at himself too. Leave me Alone had all kinds of reference to the public scrutiny. there was a few videos like that...he also was able to command all star casts to videos he directed and co wrote.

So many people exploited, starting with his father. hell,he's still exploiting him. its a wonder MJ didn't turn out totally F'ed up. His dad and record lables should of been the one under fire from the public.

I don't know anything about his personal life and the info I do know I'm skeptical about. just more people exploiting the dude.

I personally just listen to his music and can give a crap about what people said he did in his personal life.

the dude was Bad.

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Case in point

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/060929-MJackson-BLuewater.html

WTF?

if anyone decides to tell my lifes story via a comic book, shoot me if I'm not already dead.

this cheapens his life and makes comic books look cheaper. I really hate gimmicks and leaches.

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Michael Jackson and his brothers were electric , charismatic performers but with all due respect I do not understand the argument "well, he wasn't convicted". Michael Jackson openly admitted to sleeping with little boys. Little boys openly admitted to sleeping with him. Even barring something sexual going on , pursuing* children to sleep with is morally wrong. "Normal" people don't do this even if we are fond of a child because it would be socially inappropriate and we care about the child's welfare as to not teach them that this is normal behavior. So should a pedophile attempt something the child knows something unusual's amiss. Pretend he's not an artist/ celebrity? What would you think if he was a guy down the street inviting boys for sleep-overs and holding hands with them? Why is/was an exception made for him? If that were the social change MJ were to have brought about, then pedophiles should happily build a statue to him. As far as him being a man-child, holding hands with a 15 year old boy, 35 years his younger (never mind it would be scandalous if it were a girl) is not the behavior of a peer, if he wished to be perceived as a man-child.
Again even if something sexual never went on, he used his position as a celebrity to - I don't even know if "gain" is the right word....people just handed over their trust.
As far as the accusations I never saw it as an either-or thing. Kids could lie, gold-digging parents may have used their child as bait AND something sexual could have occurred between all or some of the boys he slept with. I know he wasn't found guilty but I was never sure if he was innocent but it is a fact he slept with children and was romantically affectionate with them in public. That is public record.
Sorry. Hate to rain on the parade and speak ill of the dead but I can live with being kicked off the forum easier than I can not saying anything.
If anything remember the entire man. anything less is a set-up for revisionism.

* as opposed to finding your 5 year old in bed with you becasue of a nightmare or coming to wake you and talk in the early morning

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I just went into 60's and 70's timewarp. I was looking for that Jack Davis cartoon of the Jackson 5 I remembered seeing as a kid. It's here:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_EVNJz2KzLVU/Sfod8klcX9I/AAAAAAAAHY4/s9DZ7LHFXeU/s400/JACKSON+FIV E.jpg

The pic is on a Rankin Bass blog that just RULES with memorabilia.

http://enchantedworldofrankinbass.blogspot.com/2009_04_01_archive.html

I just want to shop all over this website.

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I have an eerie feeling that during the Michael Jackson funeral/memorial he'll suddenly pop up on stage amidst smoke machines, fireworks, and a small army of dancers dressed like his Thriller or Ghost videos.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCqQ2JcQWGs&feature=fvst
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"Glove Tracking"
Giant white glove project...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPnR-zIwvQ0

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I type this with great trepidation because I really don't want to step on any toes or come off as rude. But I feel that we need to look at Michael Jackson's life as a whole.

There has been so much reporting on his life and many coming from different angles. There was talk earlyer on this topic about how those who have been telling nasty jokes about him have been out of line and going to far on the spectrum of things. I believe thats true, many of the jokes out there are in poor taste. But I have also noticed that some people go to the complete opposite of the spectrum and only focus on his good points and act like the less then favorable stuff doesn't exsist.

I think that in order to truly talk about a person and to even honor them one needs to look at the good and the bad. I look at the Founding Fathers, they did some great stuff, but they were not perfect. But I find when I study both the good & bad I find them more human and relatable. I love the HBO Movie John Adams (I heard the books good also) because it shows the complete picture of our great Founding Fathers.

Michael Jackson broke a lot of walls with his music. He practically invented the Music video on MTV. His music was legend. He gave so much money to charity. And so much more.

At the same time he did a lot of strange things like the skin bleaching and plastic surgery. Along with all of the rumors about elephant men, his sleeping chamber and other oddities. He seemed to be handling things well until after the Thriller album. Then I think that he got to the point where he just got so big that he stopped listening to others when they told him when he was going down a bad path. I think that a lot of Stars go through that when they get that big. Brittney Spears, Elvis, etc.

Now with the problem with children he did admit that he slept in bed with them. Reguardless of the fact that he was aquited in his court case that statement is very bad. I know that if anyone said that to me I wouldn't let my kids anywhere near them.

I see his life as a tragedy. I have heard that his Father beat him as a child, not sure how true that is, but if it is it explains a lot. While we make our own choices things like that have a deep and lasting effect on a persons life. David in the Bible was a very trajic character. He did such good, but them he fell and it took him a long time to get his life back in order. But then the story of his great battle with Goliath is well known. At the same time a lot can also be learned by studying his later life and what not to do.

Michael Jackson did so many great things, but he was far from perfect, he truely made some big mistakes. BUT THAT DOES NOT TAKE AWAY FROM ALL OF THE MANY GREAT THINGS THAT HE DID. I love his music. It was awsome! Still is and will always be up there among the greatest music ever created. He did so much good, we should honor that, he made some big mistakes, that should not be swept under the rug, we can learn from it. But we should always be respectful.

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Growing up 1 3/4 miles from each other in Gary, Indiana, the irony of ironies. MJ was buried yesterday at Forest Lawn Cemetery Hollywood Hills. The far south side of Burbank, with a pristine view of the Disney Studios. No better place for his earthly remains to be parked. The irony is that Michael is now 1 3/4 miles away from where I'm at. As we were in Gary, so we are at the end of his road.

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I agree with you Paburrows about Jackson's troubled legacy and the things that will always be attached to his memory. His father certainly was a factor in what he had to deal with in life. I noticed at the ceremony at Staples Center last Tuesday that of all the celebrities eulogizing him, at least the ones I saw on TV during the time I was watching, none of them approached his father Joe Jackson to offer condolences. And while the ceremony was going on, he was chewing gum. Not that there's anything wrong with that, people do different things when they grieve, but at the funeral of his son, it made him look almost apathetic like he didn't care much.

Whatever history he takes with him, MJ sure does take alot of love with him. Like the Beatles once sang, "And in the end, the love you take, is equal to the love you make..."

For the sake of our many members and friends as well as Michael Jackson fans all over the world, I thought I'd share one more visual to give you an idea about his final resting place.

This is a photo of the part of the Hollywood Hills where Forest Lawn Cemetery is located. The famous Hollywood sign is located on the other side of the hill. We're looking out towards south Burbank in the direction of the Disney Studios.

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This is a closer view of the area where Michael Jackson is buried.

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In this shot, I've labeled the locations so you can get an idea of what's near him.

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As I mentioned in my last post, we grew up about this far apart from each other in the Gary, Indiana years. Funny how life can be.

Rest In Peace, Michael Jackson! Thanks for all the great songs and the good times we had partying to your records! May your music live forever!

Rest In Peace Michael Jackson

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Rest in Peace Michael. May you overcome your inner demons and work towards repentance and peace.

Speaking of Gary, heres how they remembered him.


http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-michael-jackson-gary-11-jul11,0,4256587.story

Michael Jackson gets a hometown tribute in Gary

Thousands turn out for an upbeat celebration of singer's music, life

By Joel Hood | TRIBUNE REPORTER
July 11, 2009

They came by the thousands to the ball yard in Gary on Friday night, in white sequined gloves and high-water pants, to celebrate the musical legacy of hometown hero Michael Jackson.

The public memorial at the U.S. Steel Yard downtown, barely a mile from Jackson's boyhood home, was

a world away from the somber and star-studded celebration in Los Angeles this week, Gary's tribute was an upbeat affair to remember the boy wonder who escaped humble beginnings to forever change pop music.

"It's still hard to say that Michael Jackson is dead," said Rev. Jesse Jackson, of the singer who died unexpectedly two weeks ago. "But you measure Michael not by the length of his life, but the journey he traveled in his 50 years."

The black funeral of Michael Jackson
Firm offers tours of local Michael Jackson sites
Madonna pays tribute to Michael Jackson in concert Several members of Michael Jackson's extended family, including father Joe Jackson, were said to be in attendance at a musical showcase that included singer and Gary native Kellee Patterson and many local entertainers.

Several youth dance groups from area schools performed Jackson's hits through the eras. Some dressed in full makeup and zombie costumes for a rousing performance of "Thriller." Others spun and grooved to the sounds of "Billie Jean" and "Bad."

"He is beloved because Michael connected with an audience from every generation -- men, women, children," said Carmen Cooper of East Chicago, who still is trying to come to terms with his death.

"It still hasn't sunk in for me yet," said Cooper, who brought her husband, Dwight, and 10-year-old niece Sonicia Curtis. For Tina Winfield, also of East Chicago, the large crowd was a testament to the message and the man.

"His music was all about bringing people together, unity," Winfield said. "He'll never be forgotten."

Tina Loschky, drove in from Indianapolis, and said, "He always had a story to tell in his music."

Jesse Jackson had a special sentiment for the young fans who looked up to Jackson despite the personal problems that sometimes overshadowed his music.

"I want young people in Gary not just to dance like Michael ..., but to study like Michael, to be disciplined like Michael, to make the most of their abilities like Michael."

jhood@tribune.com

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Here's video from June 25 in front of the Jackson family home in Gary with neighbors. Some remember growing up with the Jacksons and recount their memories.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUNVRfETgMg

The guy who's recording this, Nick Mantis, is a friend of some in my family. The reason why his segment is called 'Around the Region' is because that's how this area of Indiana is known. Calling the area 'The Region' goes way back on account of Gary's rugged reputation.

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There's a film about the life and times of the Jackson family on Youtube. It was originally produced as a two part made for TV movie in 1992 and broadcast on ABC. It's based upon the memoirs of Mrs. Katherine Jackson, the matriarch of the family. Starts where Joe Jackson begins courting her and runs all the way through the early 80s with Michael Jackson's 'Thriller' and the Victory Tour that featured the reuniting of the Jackson 5.

It's long, about 2 1/2 or 3 hours, and is in 25 parts on Youtube, but if you've got the time and are interested in their background, I recommend watching it. It's well worth viewing. The early years in Gary I find particularly fascinating as they do indeed show the town as a rough place, in reality it could be much worse than what's shown, and the steel mills were way bigger than in the film and there's no hills nearby. The terrain is flat with the factory located right on the shore of Lake Michigan.

Start with Part I and it's easy to follow it through:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naB_p22vAfI

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