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Charles
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Video testimony of interest to all Americans who are wondering how illegal immigration is affecting our health care systems.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLJxmJZXgNI

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KevinO
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My wife who is a ICU nurse at Glendale Memorial sees this crap on a daily basis and is incensed at the constant misuse of funds to care for illegals. They come over here and get heart transplants, etc, you name it and all at taxpayers expense. Meanwhile our sh*tty HMO's and what have you are constantly scruntinized so they can find the lowest possible way to pay out for our own medical expenses.
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Dealing with ILLEGAL immigrants ...As opposed to the legal immigrants who forced their way onto Native American land and slaughtered all those that didn't like it, take some 'deal' or refused to move.

There's only one way to deal with illegals..
Clone Troopers!
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I dunno what happened.. Illegal immigration wasn't an issue 10 years ago. The INS seemed to have more power. Seems like all INS operations were suspended.

I remember reading stories where the INS used to pull up to Do-It centers on the hottest day of the summer in a snapple promotional truck.. invite day workers inside luring them with ice cold snapples from a beautiful woman.. and then once aboard.. they asked them for their ID

I wished America would be consistent. We should just say F-ck everybody who doesn't like our pay to play system of government.
What are we? Socialists? Commies? Hippies?
Why give health care to anyone without insurance or money?

Sorry Grandma! This social security check of yours isn't going to cover an MRI scan.. Off to Mexico with you!

Send everyone to Mexico!
or Soylent green. These social security mooches should be turned into soylent green.. or shipped to Mexico. Their choice.

Maybe we should build a human sized toilet, and flush all the people who are not doing financially well down it... have it empty out into the Gulf of Mexico. We should dangle welfare checks above the great American toilet.. make a game show out of it! Call it "Bon Floy-ushi!" If they fall in.. oh well! wah waaah waaaah!
Then the crowd full of yuppies will yell "Bon Floy-ushi!!"

Let's quit appeasing the liberals!! Let's replace Uncle Sam with a red white and blue Darth Vader.. with the motto "No Money. No Honey. Moo. Hoo. Ah! Ah!"

And then make this guy.. in charge of the border patrol..
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THAT.. is the America everyone cries out for!
CONSISTENTCY!!

Vote for Darth Vader and Humungous 2008! Then we can have Conservative Heaven.

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I blame Huell Howser.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBb2p8GHlnE&feature=related

I'll have Humungous "Deal with him."

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i don't know what the hell offbeat is talking about, but my buddies and i were just talking today about the cost for health care. its astronomical. i don't know how a family that has to pay out of pocket can make it today.

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I'm saying I don't understand the problem.. especially if they are here illegally.

Patch them up so they are stable enough to ship. Then stick them all into a dump truck.. and drop them off at the border.

No money. No honey.

It sucks.. but we're not a socialist society.
Let Lord Humongous deal with them...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TL4XZdyo3g

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Illegal imigration has been an issue for nearly all of the twentieth century. Don't forget that Reagan tried amnesty back in the eighties to try and solve the problem and that didn't work out very well.

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Mexico needs to fix itself rather then shipping its people over here. Unfortunately you would need to clear out most the the government to do so.

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Charles
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I was foolish in thinking that a considerate, focused discussion could develop from this side topic, free of cynnical ricule and nonsense. That hasn't been the case it seems lately. Well, at least the video of the testimony is available for interested parties to see and hear for themselves.

I've been weighing how to handle these situations for the future of comment on the forums. Among the options, a complete ban on many sensitive and potentially inflammatory subjects on the Side Topics Forum. For the time being, I'll ask again, hopefully not in vain, please don't abuse the forums with your editorial use.

That said, I'd like our members and readers to review this video footage, in which illegal immigration in the US is promoted through propaganda.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfVMt8PheTs&feature=related

The video is 3 minutes long, but have a look at the image at 1 minute into it. It's an old homeless white man on the street begging, and the video suggests that white men are lazy. I suppose this isn't racist?

It's funny how proponants or opponents of extreme causes, especially when it comes from way on the fringe side of the issue, resort to mockery, ridicule and guilt trips while making highly charged opinionated comments that tend to sidestep the subject of the very real matter at hand. In this case, the very real impact that immigration which is not controlled or in observance of the laws of the US, is making upon our society by way of the added pressures on our medical system.

Illegal immigrants get better medical care than many US citizens, and for free. Even in socialist leaning countries like Canada, you can't just walk over the border and expect not to be kicked out. But in America, if you insist that the laws concerning immigration be enforced to begin with, you're accused of racism and the obliteration of the aboriginal cultures.

Nobody should be made to feel guilty for wanting more secure borders and stability when it comes to immigration law.

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Shane Glines
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Personally, I enjoy Offbeat's commentary- he uses parody, satire, and a general wise-ass attitude- exactly what should be expected from a cartoonist. It encourages me to open threads on politics and religion that I normally wouldn't go near, and I've ended up learning quite a bit as a result.
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I was being tongue in cheeky but I still made the point that the solution lies with either extremes..

You either go on lock-down.. and enforce immigration laws.. illegals here (or their family) would have 48 hours to provide proof of insurance, or proof of cash.. if not, they're dumped at the border in a wheel-barrow..

or you make it a free for all.. where EVERYONE pays 15%-20% more in taxes than they already do and we have socialized medicine and we take care of anyone who wants to be here.

I don't see how the solution can lie in-between.

Personally, I think it would be better for Americans who are already here to go the lord Humongous republican route... and lockdown the country. And kick out the illegals. (sorry hippies)

If people really want to be here legally, they can.

I know the argument is that American immigration only takes the smartest and financially lucritive people... but so does the rest of the world.

Countries take a gamble on who they let.. are these people going to be a burden or benefit?

It's an investment. And I know if you're a cherry picker..or day laborer.. you're probably going to get denied. Complain to your government.. not ours.

If Harvard let all the D and C students in.. it wouldn't be Harvard for very long. It would be Harvard community college.

The people here that need illegals to do work for below minimum wage need to raise their prices.. and let people decide.. do I want to pay 50% more for my fruit.. or 20% more in taxes?

Maybe they'll vote to lower the minimum wage in states where there needs fruit pick'n

Day Laborers make little money.. and if something happens to them health wise.. it costs us more money than they earn.. that's a loss.

Once the average person gets affected by this, or sees the cost-benefit of this.. I can hardly imagine anyone against a hard approach towards the illegals.

These news stories just illustrate the problem and 'burden to the tax payers" flies over people's heads.. if you tell them.. this is how cheap your health care would be if we got rid of the illegal immigrants.. then everyone would be voting for Darth Vader/Lord Humungous/ Clone Trooper approach when dealing with them.

I know people who'd be ok with an illegal immigrant Auschwitz if it lowered their health insurance $100/month.

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Wow! Thanks Shane!

But I know Charles, and I know the headaches he has to put up with.. Almost everytime I do political or religious commentary he gets a dozen complaints sent to his email asking to ban me.

So.. I apologize to Charles for that too!!

I hope I don't come off as a know all.. I'm mostly wanting to know, how I am wrong in thinking the way I do??
And I can't help being snarky.. I 'think funny'

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Well said Shane.

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El Presidente Offbeat thought of another solution.. Add up the estimated cost of damages/lossed caused by illegal immigrants and bill the Mexican government.

We'll take cash, credit, oil, or land! 40 acres for every immigrant!

I bet their government would pay closer attention to that border.

Proposed reparations:
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I think our health care system effects our health care system before illegal immigrants do.

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While blaming filthy immagrinks may be a lot of fun, the following can't be ignored:

USA wastes more on health care bureaucracy than it would cost to provide health care to all of the uninsured

The U.S. wastes more on health care bureaucracy than it would cost to provide health care to all of the uninsured. Administrative expenses will consume at least $399.4 billion out of total health expenditures of $1,660.5 billion in 2003. Streamlining administrative overhead to Canadian levels would save approximately $286.0 billion in 2003, $6,940 for each of the 41.2 million Americans who were uninsured as of 2001. This is substantially more than would be needed to provide full insurance coverage.

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Otisberg! [Big Grin] [Big Grin] [Big Grin]

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see, our health care system is getting in the way of a health care system.

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I think that we're getting to the point where we need to rethink wealth and power. I mean if we're at a point where we blame sick people for their financial burden on a community then we're in trouble big time.

I don't have health insurance and now that I'm gonna be 36 this year I'm gambling with my life. if anything happened to me that takes any kind of effort to repair I'm financially ****ed. I tried to get on my lady's health care through her work but it would be 300 bucks per month. wow, thats insane. and thats not even a good coverage.

why can't health care be one flat reasonable rate and it covers everything? How can you pick a coverage that has different catagories? how the **** does one know what will happen to them in future?

and why don't more people see how much we're being robbed?

as much as people call these immigrants illegal, they are making local businesses money so they should have the right to be taken care of like the rest of us.

but then again, the rest of us aren't being taken care of so maybe they should suffer like the rest of us....????

this issue is about shifting classes. the lack of care given in Katrina wasn't about black people, it was about class.

this health care system should show us how important the american people are to america....as in, not very important.

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No love in a capitalistic society.. only prostitution. [Big Grin]

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No money. No honey.
Time is money.. quit wasting my money!
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5298034

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I'd like to attempt to take a stab at this Snake.

As far as illegals spending their money to live here, they still don't put any money into health care, they don't participate in any health care plans, be it HMO's or privatised. Most of them go to the public hospitals where they are unfortunately treated much to the taxpayers expense.

But you are also able to go the public hospital too if needed. Go up to Olive View in Sylmar - great care, great UCLA docs, but you gotta wait, and wait just like the rest of them. Aside from great medical plans like the guild's Motion Picture plan, most people seem to get stuck with HMO's who main purpose to them is to make money, and cut care based on some made up cost pricing for every treatment and how long they think each treatment should take and how much it should cover. Most doctors hate HMO's because they don't get paid on time, it's a set low rate.

But yes, the bureaucracy is screwing it up big time. It's totally about making money and not about caring for the sick. It's a lot like when Disney stuffed the animation studio with tons of middle management who knew absolutely nothing about animated filmmaking. Just job creating, cost raising, care cutting, profit making company.

I still believe there should be a national health care system, but people who are here illegally who don't put any money into the system should definitely not get the extensive care they are now getting. Like I've said, my wife is a ICU nurse who specializes in a lot of heart work, transplants, open heart surgeries, by-passes, and a lot of the patients are foreign, can't speak English don't have full benefits, if any sometimes and yet get hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of treatment because they would or have already been turned away in their own country and they know how to work the system here, be it through family, illegal documents, etc. You name it they got it covered. That she hears straight from nurses of those nationalities. They told my wife that those people would've been turned away from their own country, unless they came up with the cash to pay for the operation. So they come here.
Those are the facts.

Also the uninsured wait until they are so totally sick or infected because they know they aren't covered then go to the public hospital or clog up the ER's that it costs the system more to care for them then, than it would normally cost. You know, you gotta cough from working in hundred degree heat picking lettuce, take a day off, get better. Don't wait until it's bronchitis or pneumonia then hit the ER and suck the system for thousand of dollars and a long hospital stay.

If you are on the up and up, got medical coverage, like our family has, it's great. I had kidney stones last year and I was glad I have coverage - 3 trips to the ER and all the followups and meds covered. I'm totally thankful I have a decent plan. But all citizens should have tons of options and not just super expensive ones.

I wish there were more group plans like for freelancers who aren't on a studio or guild plan and it was reasonable, and not just COBRA at $500 month.

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I hear ya.
but in a way they do put money in the system. why do you think people hire these "illegals"? to save their money. Outsourcing has more of an affect
on us then "illegals".

I don't see whats wrong with these "illegals" trying to get their kids educated and their family medical care from a system that is totally using them for their "illegal" status to profit off of.

If it wasn't so easy for these "illegals" to get work then they wouldn't be here.

theres a bigger issue here and I think we're all distracted by this word "illegal".

I just don't think immigrants are the problem. the system is.

I'm with George Carlin, make it mandatory for all immigrants who want to live here to serve in the military for two years send them to Iraq and then give them citizenship.

but by then, if these immigrants become legit citizens then some people might not be able to get away with paying them so little.

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speaking of aliens..
http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/science/06/02/red.rain/index.html

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Galactic pollination. they have been talking about that for a bit. seems like the laws of nature apply to the universe as well. go figure. as a kid I use to call meteors, space seeds.

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