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Greg B
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Although the crowds were sparse it was a constant trickle of people. Got the chance to meet people for the first time face to face.

What really surprised me was how fast connections were made. No bsing around, you got to shake hands, chat, network.

I have to say, Chance Raspberry is one of the most enthusiastic people I've ever met. Just friendly, professional, cheeful.

Finally met Bronnie and the girls. Even ran into my old high school pal animator Kristen Heller. Met Color In Able and saw PA Burrows browsing around and Scott Shaw manning his table.

Of course fearless leader Charles Z was there. Good shaking hands with him again.

Couldn't stay for the concert.

Even met Dean Yeagle and long time hero Bobby London. He told great stories of the days of independent comics from the 70's. Gotta stop and chat with him and have him tell of what happened at Woodstock.

Lotsa history at this con.

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Good seeing you there Greg. I made a valuable connection that will pay off down the line. I wound up in an area where several former Academy students happened to be set up so it was nice. Enjoyed myself. It was a good time.

Highlight for me was meeting the legendary Bernie Wrightson. A genuine thrill to shake his hand. His art was a major inspiration to me in art school and I had the chance to tell him that face to face today. I'll be bringing in the books I own that he authored for his autograph.

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Greg B
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Charles, I was stunned to see Bob "Iron Man" Layton there! I used to work for him when he ran Valiant Comics.

Then meeting Bobby London, the man who defines independence and longevity as a creator. His stories of the old days are PRICELESS. He should be the headliner at the convention!

Dean Yeagle too. He and Bobby both worked for Playboy of all places. They're like made men.

There were a lot of hotties there! I'm figuring to take a chance and go for a bite!

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It was a great timeto see Charles and Chance and just to be able to walk around and to get inspired. I went through it pretty quick, but it was nice to be able to just stroll around and visit places and over and over and always find something new. CHance and I were talking and you could really tell that it was their first times at it with opening over a half hour late for attendees and just a number of other quirks, but by and large it was pretty good. Im curious about how crowded it will be tomarrow.

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Greg B
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Paburrows, I was hoping you would have had a table showing off your art!

You moved around so fast I couldn't catch up with you.

Now you've hit the nail right on the head about 'inspiring'.

When I got home and got something to eat and got to resting, my mind just flurried with ideas and energy. I had to realize I had met people today whose works and philosophies inspired me from day one. It energizes one to do better and cut the fat from the bs we're subjected to from others in the industry who just complain no end and can't see the bright side of things.

I have to make some life changes soon and this convention sure opened my eyes to some things. Can't wait til Saturday.

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2nd day had farrrr more people than day 1. Had so many people it was difficult to catch up with people.

Charles' seminar was brilliant. George Noory's panel with Mark Zicree was so funny people almost fell out of their chairs. Noory is what you call a pro at holdin' down the crowd so we laughed til our sides ached.

Awesome day.

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A better day all around. Sold a few books, made a little money, saw some old friends, made new ones. Enjoyed chatting with Greg B. My discussion on Character Design might've caught a few people by surprise but what I had to say was important and the feeling I got was that it was appreciated.

My hope is that Cyndy will do this again next year. It has potential to be a major convention. I think alot of lessons were learned from this one and that they'll be put to good use should the RockinComicCon have a second incarnation.

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Greg B
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I agree Charles. I saw people making some good money today. Some didn't at all. It all depended on the merchandise and salesmanship I figure.

Sunday will be the final litmus test. I had to give Cyndi some pointers to better promote tomorrow's show. She was missing out on some big opportunities and she'll try them out. If more people show up on Sunday that means word is getting out. Just saw Callista Carradine all dressed up heading out of her house to go sing at the event. She looked goooooood!

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Greg B
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Okay, final report on this con.

Management of the con was no where near what it should have been and those guys are going to have to do some damage control to salvage and repair and rebuild. This is what happens when you don't face reality and hire professionals to do a job.

However, I've been going to cons for almost 40 years. Some of my friends put on the biggest cons in the world. When they started out there were all sorts of problems but they learned and went on to become profitable and responsible business people.

The Rockin Comic Con was so ambitious that it eclipsed common sense, BUT there were some surprises along the way of a positive note. Lots of people to hook up with, very fine seminars which were litmus tests for people who wanted to see if they could do seminars. Every seminar I went to was priceless.

So Cyndi and her group may or may not be in the stew and it's a situation where they'll either take their lumps and learn or sit in the stew. Hopefully they'll look at what was successful and what wasn't and get their business straight and rebuild the right way.

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Yeah, that was my observation as well.

We really do need a con that is here in town so I'm still going to support them. I'm going to be optimistic and hope that their second go at it works out better. Hopefully they made enough money at this event to hire an experienced crew next time and have a bigger advertising budget for publicity (a maybe not scheduling it 2 months before San Diego Comic Con).

Speaking of which I've heard that San Diego Comic Con is planning on moving to a larger convention center in 2013 when their contract runs out, with the L.A. Convention Center being a likely candidate. Still though, even with the closer location having a comic convention that doesn't have Hollywood in it would be nice.

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I tip my hat to Cyndi and all involved. It was an impossible mission and they pulled it off. They got Stan Lee, Bobby London, Bernie Wrightson and alot of other top names under one roof, plus I like the rock aspect of it.

To me, it turned out better than I expected in most ways, and I think a great learning experience as to how to handle it next time around, and I hope she does it again next year.

Business wise, made a couple of great connections. Fun wise, pretty high on the meter. I liked the tempo of it and how big and spacious the venue was. My overall impression is a positve one.

I'm happy to have been a part of it and feel that I was at something historic. The first Rockin Comic Con, of what I hope will be more to come.

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Well not only did I chat with Cyndi tonight and she's busy doing damage control and getting her act together but she's getting a wave of support from all over the place. From event coordinators to legals, promotion, and signed up some comic mega stars for her next try.

Not only that but while I was editing video of the event, I was looking at video of Coast to Coast AM talk show host George Noory whom I got to come to the event and give a panel lecture, but George got on the air just now and declared how much he enjoyed the event, the people, and his panel. Quite the uplifting experience for we who met George and for him and his buddy writer Mark Zicree! George had people practically rolling on the floor laughing about his tales of the wild side of being the host of the biggest radio show in the world.

Not bad.

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Well George Noory must've really liked the convention because he's mentioned it several times positively on tonight's program.

Also, something I didn't know is that Cyndi did indeed have an event planner but the guy breached his contract and split just a few days before the event took place. Lots of people who could have helped didn't and some just basically left her in the lurch but things look like they'll turn out good for her in the short and long term and she's not giving up.

One day we might all say we were at the first Rockin' Comic Con.

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I gotta say I had a great time.
They really need to find a advertising model that reaches comics fans better, I was surprised at how light the turn out was.

It would be great if this became the LA con as getting into comic con takes so long now a days. I think it's a four year wait to get booth now at comic con. And hoping comic con moves to LA when it can, there is room for both cons in this town, and comic con could use the extra capacity that the LA facilities can provide.

Maybe a different weekend would be better???

It was defintely a fun time though...

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This Con was very significant in many ways. Glad to hear there's the intent to continue.

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Metsys, SDCC has been talking of moving to LA for quite some time. My lady works in Conventions and tells me that in order to get a larger space SDCC would have to move to Anaheim. LA Con Center is smaller then SAn Diego...and chances are Hollywood is going to go were they can, especially if its down the street. Comic Con is a non profit company that should focus on COmics first, pop culture second. but thats just my opinion.

San Diego is talking of expanding the convention center because that is a lot of money to lose. 100k plus people come to that convention and so much money gets spent. So they are gonna fight to keep it.

And believe me, you don't want the con at Anaheim. The atmosphere is not as cool as San Diego and the night life is even worse.

I believe SDCC should make preview night the night of the movie previews and all the hollywood stuff. Get that out of the way and then leave the rest of the weekend for comic stuff. It would still be packed. but again, just my opinion.

I really don't think moving it closer to Hollywood would be the best way to get rid of hollywood.lol

Also, they have talked of moving it to Vegas...forget that! I'd never go.

It seems like most cons, like ROck N Comic Con focus more on other aspects that have nothing to do with comics. From music to celebrities, the emphasis was not on artists. I bet they spent a bunch to get Stan Lee there and that guy doesn't promote the artists who make his ideas have worth, he promotes himself. with all due respect. Radio hosts, although great for publicity do not make a solid comic convention. Half nekked girls???? well, they are like Jell-o..always room for Jell-O.lol

Conventions need to decide who they are showcasing and promote accordingly. I understand that sometimes one needs a hook to sell a good record, but if all you got is hook with no string, rod or bait then good luck catching fish.

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Bite, that's great you have someone who does events.

Don't know what the final tally will be about the Rockin Comic Con, but one thing is for sure, if you make a place for people to sell their goods and show their stuff, people will come.

Better management, promotion, expediting is essential.

We'll see soon the final tally on this event and learn what others can do to put on successful cons and events. It's good to look things over and get one's ducks in a row. I think AN or several of the folks here could put on quite a good event if done well and within realistic parameters.

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Greg, my lady works tradeshows for the medical manufacturer industry. Much larger then comic cons. Even San Diego. She knows much of the behind the scenes with contracts and stuff. She's been doing it for 10 years now. Needless to say she knows all the square footage of convention centers. so in order for SDCC's move to make sense it would have to be Anaheim...and that would suck.

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I have to say that I agree with a lot of the things that have been said. the convention needed to be planned better, but it showed promise. I could have done away with the aging soft core porn girls right at the entrance practicaly. I know that sort of thing is at all cons, but if someone is taking their kids it would be better if that sort of things was in the bad so that parents could advoid it. Also they were a half an hour late in opening the doors. But thats all stuff that Im betting that will be adressed in future years.

I did think that the Rock and Roll thing was an odd match for Comics, but to each their own, if it works what can I say. I also thought it a rip off that Stan Lee was charging $50 for a signed photo.

As for Comic-Con the Hollywood aspect doesn't really bother me, in fact Animation was the main reason that I started going to Comic-Con and that has nothing to do with Comics. Over time I also started attending and enjoying the movie and TV stuff also. So I don't mind it much. But at the same time I feel for those that enjoyed the pure ness of Comic-Con 10 years ago and are now sad about the changes.

I do know that theres a group of artists who have started another convention on the same weekend in San Diego called Creator Con since the artists have slowly been pushed out.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/CREATOR-CONITS-ON/106135489407633

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but if someone is taking their kids it would be better if that sort of things was in the BACK so that parents could advoid it

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Sex has always been apart of comic books. I remember early on going to stores and being exposed to sexual content. Going to shows and seeing half nekked women. Hell, the comic books themselves are filled with such content. I agree that there are problems with objectification of women within the community, but its bigger then the art. I believe most artists are abused in the industry so they perpetuate abuse in many forms. But thats another debate. But over all I think the presence of women in the industry means we're doing well. I think I have more of a problem with guys like Stan Lee who made their fortune off comic artists and getting paid mad ammounts to go to shows only to charge the fans. I grew up on Mr True Believer so I want to like him but as an pro artists I don't really care for what he represents. Our industry would rather focus on guys like him then the artists themselves. Thats the real problem.

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I'm so old I remember the first cons in NY. Lots of tables and dusty old comic book boxes.

Stan Lee signed a piece of art of mine along with John Buscema, Joe Sinnott, and Floyd Patterson the former heavyweight champ.

We would have Star Trek stuff at those cons too. They were fun and you ran a high chance of getting noticed too.

My pals started or run the bigger cons now. I've attended a few to sign autographs but now the cons are so big it's like going to a theme park.

Rockin' Comic Con may or may not survive. That all depends on Cyndi getting her act together and making sure she does the right things.

Competing with bigger cons is a no no. It divides the public and causes confusion. Smaller venues are what's needed so people can shop.

I mentioned to Charles at the con we need a con that focuses on education in comics/animation etc. where up and coming talent can get much needed info and contacts. Parents can see the options for education that will be affordable and comprehensive. Schools large and small and websites with tutorials can see what's needed and wanted and necessary materials purchased.

In today's times, everyone is looking for that edge to excel.

Just think Snakebite, a con where you could show students and parents your skills and direct them to your tutorials/classes. I'd bet kids would be breaking down the door to get in to learn your Photoshop skills. I'm looking into now as getting sponsors for educational venues is far easier than I had thought. From hardware to software to books etc..

I've just sent two young ladies to Charles' school and AN Night as they're talented and looking for work. Outreaching to students and parents means efficient production and service to the communities overall. Scott Shaw is a one man wrecking crew of talent. I think kids and adults would run over each other to see how he's survived all these years and the vast amount of work he's done.

I'll tell you, this Rockin' Comic Con showed me there is so much educational talent it's unfathomable. I even passed the idea on to my pal Bob "Iron Man" Layton who used to teach us at his old company "Valiant". Bob gave me the thumbs up right there and said just to let him know where and when.

I think it's doable! Gotta look around for an appropriate location though.

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I already do that. The amount of people I meet are always directed to the Academy or anything else I'm doing. The problem is with the art/education convention is that it would be small. Not everyone wants to become an artist. The idea of a convention is to tap into your market.

Besides, I have great outreach ideas for art education and awareness. Flushing them out so I can see the vision soon. I think the right minded players are in the mix.

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