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Topic: Pirates of the Caribbean II, is gonna rock or what?
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Methuselah
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ll I wanna know is how they did the makeup for Davey Jones. When he's smoking the pipe and smoke comes out of one of his blowholes that was sooooo creepy. His tentacles reacted to things offscreen too!
Really creepy with the makeup. That must have been horribly tedious!
It wasn't makeup, it was all CG, an overlay over Nighy's face. It wasn't "real" prosthetics. So the usual hours of tedium sitting in a makeup chair were instead hours of work for a GC artist. ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
"Davy Jones" and the rest of his crewmen were all guys in wetsuits with those motion capture points all over them; Nighy said in some interview on the radio that he felt ridiculous acting on set with the others in "pajamas", but he did the best he could.
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katsat
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As one of those so-called "stupid women" flocking like "flies to manure" to the Pirates film, I find those comments say more about the insecurities of the commentator than about the movie.
A discussion about a semi-animated film may not be appropriate for this site - but not nearly as much as sexist insults and gross distortion.
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Inkan
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I have no problem with this topic being moved to "Side Topics"
I had a great time watching it. Gore Verbinski is a master of suspense. I was on the edge of my seat nearly the whole time whenever a character was setting up a story. Gore should be voted Best Director to Tell Ghost Stories Around a Campfire. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif) I was very impressed with the CGI animation. The Dutchman crew seemed very alive to me; I never felt that way about any "Star Wars" CGI character. Davy Jones himself, both the actor and his beard's animator gave compelling performances. I'm very eager to see Part 3.
Hmm, I went to the third screening of my theater. It was still nearly packed. The audience I was in seemed to enjoy it a lot. I'm a little baffled as to why the reviews have been so negative. ![[Confused]](confused.gif) The movie has some flaws ( spoiler flaws, so I can't mention them ), but it still was a lot of fun. I guess we'll have to wait for next week to see if this movie will nosedive at the boxoffice or not.
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mbaker
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And I agree that this thread belongs in Side Topics.
I agree on that, too.
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rdelgado
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Film was too long and I got tired of the whole 'rolling around in a cage' thing, yet built up to a pretty interesting third act. The Davey Jones character and the Kraken were amazing from a technical standpoint. That shot of the Dutchman diving underwater was spectacular. The swordfight on the beach was underwhelming.The crowd went wild when Barbosa showed up.
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Greg B
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Methuselah thanks for the technical background info.
That's amazing if all his makeup was digital. Is it a first for CG? If so it's groundbreaking to say the least. Just amazing! Now I have to go buy all the books and read all the interviews to see how it was done. That's a tribute if it makes someone go study!
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Greg B
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Inkan I agree about the Dutchman crew. I'll bet there are kids having nightmares from one end of the planet to the other.
Since it's the 'Flying Dutchman' I was waiting for it to fly as well since it did that submarine thing.
The special effects were so outstanding it made up for the much too long chase scenes and swordfights.
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ApeLad
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Did anyone notice if there was any mention in the credits of Marc Davis?
No, he was not listed.
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Tobias A. Wolf
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Wow, I'm amazed the film did that kind of business. Personally, I have no interest in seeing it; except I might hover to watch it for a few minutes on some cable station while channel surfing in a year or two.
It's things like this that make me think I have no idea what people like. But when your listed interests are Styrofoam underoos, I guess that's to be expected.
Congrats to the labor. ![[thumbsup]](graemlins/thumbsup.gif)
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oogieboogie
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I was a bit disappointed. I felt the prison ball and the water wheel bits went on for too long and got a little boring. After it was over, I felt it had that "Back to the Future 2" feel. It isn't a standalone movie. There isn't an end. It's the first half of a two parter. I expected some kind of end to the thing.
Also, I thought some of the Kraken shots were composited kind of badly. Quite a few had that "rear projection" feel.
But, wow! All those Davy Jones facial shots. What a ton of work. And nice animation/lighting on the tentacles. Completely convincing.
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andim8
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there were some great scnes and I'm glad disney got a big hit on its hands. as for the rest of the movie... why they had to spend 2 hours and 40 minutes on a plot you can thinly smear on a cracker somewhat eludes me. nothing against a purely visual popcorn movie-90 minutes of it though would have done it for me just fine.
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Greg B
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Sheesh! This movie made $18+ million on a MONDAY! I guess we know where everyone was Monday while school is out and the lawn wasn't mowed.
At this rate this movie might make it close to $200 Mill BY Friday. It's at $153+ million domestic now.
This is getting scary. I know I'll be going again this week with the gang.
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Charles
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Greg, the people behind this extremely successful endeavor are crying all the way to the bank.
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Matt Wilson
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I saw it, I enjoyed it. I didn't get all the "sweeping establishing shot" **** that they kept doing to fill out the film. Felt like I was watching characters walk around or row in a boat for a good half hour. I was kind of sick of that in Cars, but Cars wasn't nearly 3 hours long, and wasn't nearly as hollow.
But it was a good brainless popcorn movie, like most Bruckheimer flicks. It's like a pirate version of Empire Strikes Back, only with krakken instead of carbonite.
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Matt Wilson
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Also some films would LOVE to make $70 million in their first weekend, let alone their SECOND weekend. This film's success is incredible.
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animator-boy
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Yes I don't get these analysts either, although I think he states that mid 70s is what studios rivals predicted. There is no way a film can open that big and not have a big fall in its 2nd weekend. So yes..gee whiz it looks like Pirates 2 will on make a bazillion dollars instead of a bazillion and a half dollars....how disappointing...
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Kevin
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It's a she, not a he, and the writer is a well-connected industry journalist, not an analyst. If you read her blog regularly, you'll she's actually been talking up the prospects of POTC 2 for weeks. Here she's reporting some actual data, as well as the impressions of some non-Disney industry insiders. Not exactly the hatchet job it's being made out to be.
What's interesting is that no one noticed the really interesting info Ms. Finke reports, about how well Monster House did in its Saturday sneak previews.
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Greg B
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Animator-Boy, I agree.
Right now just shy of $260 million it's quite a standout property.
It should hit $300 million shortly and after that I dare not speculate. Could it hit $400 mill? I don't know. I just can't wait to study the special effects and see Pirates III.
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animator-boy
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Oops that's my bad....my apologies Ms. Finke for saying you were a dude...that'll teach me to speed read through an article...
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Mr. Fun
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Finally saw "Pirates2." Great popcorn movie. I really enjoyed it. Never understood all the complaints I heard about the film.
I never expected the film to be anything more than a nice entertainment, and it delivers on that. So much better than the last three George Lucas films I had to suffer through.
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rdelgado
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I gotta agree with the star wars comparison, Mr. Fun. I can't even watch those things. It was great to see you today.
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OFFBEAT
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I saw it this weekend.. fun movie!!! Great Sequel. I wish they would have wrapped it up, and the 3rd movie been it's own story.. but we'll see.
The visual effects are spectacular!! ![[bow]](graemlins/bow.gif)
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Greg B
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It's still making over $7 mill a day this week. It'll hit $280 mill + by today and $300 mill by Friday's end. So maybe $320+ by weekend's end since there's new kids stuff coming out.
Good for PotC II!
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Kevin
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Finally saw it, and all I can say is, wow. As in, wow, what a mess. It was way too long, and what was the obsession with chase scenes that didn't know if they were supposed to be funny or dramatic (and so ended up being neither), but just went on and on until I was numb. But my biggest problem was that I simply couldn't follow the story. Too many twists and turns. I watch a lot of off-beat artsy European films, but I've rarely been as confused as I was by this movie.
I won't try to get into the illogic of the film, but I do have one burning question -- what was up with the opening? What were the filmmakers trying to tell us with the rainy wedding that looked like a funeral? I couldn't piece together what was happening up to the point where the arrests happened. Anyone?
Oh, and fantastic effects and animation on Davy Jones. Simply amazing.
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Jessie
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Soooooo....
Did IT rock or what???
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My Fault
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Here's a brilliant but brutal review of the movie. Of course the reviewer is a ninja so he is pre-disposed to not like it. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
http://www.askaninja.com/node/1175
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Kevin
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That review was perfectly brilliant! But I still want to hear some theories about that weird opening.
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Jennifer Hachigian Jerrard
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...I do have one burning question -- what was up with the opening? What were the filmmakers trying to tell us with the rainy wedding that looked like a funeral? I couldn't piece together what was happening up to the point where the arrests happened. Anyone?
The Brit in power wanted Davy Jones' heart so that he could control the seas. If he could get Jack Sparrow's magic compass (that aimed at one's greatest desire), he could make a beeline straight for Davy Jones' heart.
To get Jack Sparrow's compass, he had to get Jack Sparrow. Towards that end, he invented charges against the two who helped Jack Sparrow escape, to pressure them into hunting down Jack Sparrow for him. He just happened to interrupt their wedding at the same time.
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I agree with everything the ninja said, but I still enjoyed the film. I look forwards to Part 3.
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