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Topic: How Many AN Posters Are REALLY Professional Cartoonists?
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Ravenshoe
IE # 186
Member # 783
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I was JOKING! I was only JOKING!!! Yeesh.
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Mr. Fun
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Member # 352
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Yep, when I said I worked on "Dinosaur," it wasn't the Disney film, it was Windsor McKay's "Gertie the Dinosaur."
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Kevin
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Member # 26
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"Finally, I only have two requests. That studios make the best films they can, and that the artists be treated with respect. Is that too much to ask?"
It can't be said any more simply and perfectly than that. ![[cheers]](graemlins/cheers.gif)
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scaredofbees
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Member # 2726
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In addition to having our respective profession(s) placed beneath our username, I would also find it very helpful if everyone's blood type, shoe size, SAT scores, and possible food allergies, are listed. This way the following arguments can be avoided:
scaredofbees: After remembering I only got an 1170 on my SATs 10 years ago, I was in such a stupor that I accidentally reached for, and proceeded to snack on, a jar of peanuts. This in turn caused me to vomit AB negative blood all over my brand new, size 12, Simple brand Old School suede sneakers.
Ravenshoe: What a pile of bologna! Based on your previous posting abilities you clearly only wear size 11 shoes.
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Ray Pointer
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Member # 2499
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Aside from all the above, one thing I learned about the real pros is that they are willing to share their knowledge, and are very generous.
And because they are working all the time, they are not promoting themselves and declaring their professionalism. After all, if someone is spending all their time with self-promotion, there is little time left for actual accomplishment.
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fishmorg3
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scaredofbees:
In addition to having our respective profession(s) placed beneath our username, I would also find it very helpful if everyone's blood type, shoe size, SAT scores, and possible food allergies, are listed.
And don't forget to send in the 10-page application form, with fingerprints and DNA sample! Notarized, of course. ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
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Ravenshoe
IE # 186
Member # 783
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Ahem. The shoes are a size 9 1/2. Something else is size 11.
Just to keep the record straight.
Thanks.
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Ravenshoe
IE # 186
Member # 783
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Any publicity is GOOD publicity.
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Tobias A. Wolf
IE # 250
Member # 383
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Yep, Mr. Fun’s comment makes a lot of sense to me. Because, I remember picking up my portfolio from the Burbank building in early ’99 with my girlfriend at the time, but on the way out I took the time to gander at The Sleeping Beauty work lining the hallway.
And I’ll never forget as I was looking at that well framed piece of work by one of the bg artists, the reflection I saw in the glass of the frame of one of the executives walking into the building. It was one of the most contemptible looks I’ve ever seen thrown, and the man probably had no idea that I could clearly see his reflection in the frame, probably because he had never taken the time to look at the work himself.
But, the look was thrown my way, behind my back, by a guy who didn’t know he was being watched. Right then and there, it was obvious to me at least, that Disney was not a hospitable place for an artist to work. The place struck me as a cancer, with egos infinitely wide and just as infinitely narrow.
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OFFBEAT
IE # 39
Member # 873
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I think the contempt you got was jealousy.. these are suits. What kid wants to grow up to be a business man? He was probably someone who hates his job.. looks at an artist who loves what he does (in comparrison)
It's kinda like if you were to walk backstage of a rock concert and see some guy piss drunk.. snorting coke.. Long hair.. ripped up shirt and shorts on a couch made of money full of the hottest women you've ever seen fighting for his attention.. while thousands of people are screaming his name.. and you find out that he's just some guy who plays the jew's harp in a popular band.
...kinda like that.
I know my step-father in law who is a successfull business man cannot wrap his mind around what I do. I was interrogated at a Thanksgiving dinner table full of Yuppies. He gave the look you mentioned.. Like he's trying to figure out how to get rid of mysterious crap smell. He was like "You sit and draw all day? And someone PAYS you to do this?" ..in front of everybody.
I can't imagine what pornographers go through. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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Christian
IE # 211
Member # 3132
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Personally, I don't envy pornographers.
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SNAKEBITE
IE # 101
Member # 17
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yeah, all that sex...it must suck...and lick at times,hehehehehe
ahhh the strife of the artist..... But I've gotten those types of looks all my life so I m VERy use to it..hehehehe....even before they know what I do....
my lady has pointed out that I'm totally evasive when people ask me what I do. I dunno, Im guilty of asking people the same question, mostly out of programming/habit, but I think its irrelevant most of the time..maybe I just need to get out of LA,hehehehehe, Im jaded,hehehehehe, naw, not really but geesh people are so friggen sensitive about their ideals.
Im a professional human, I reserve the right to change my title at any given moment...like a shift of a fart I change my perspective of who I am. tomorrow I kinda feel like being an ameteur..then a good for nuthin' the next day, jesus on tuesday...john holmes late at night and Ms. Bite on Sundays... ![[abducted]](graemlins/abduct.gif)
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cpdavison
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Aside from all the above, one thing I learned about the real pros is that they are willing to share their knowledge, and are very generous.
And because they are working all the time, they are not promoting themselves and declaring their professionalism. After all, if someone is spending all their time with self-promotion, there is little time left for actual accomplishment.
So, real pros don't spend all their time on the internet "promoting themselves" or "declaring their professionalism?" Is this a tacit admission of some sort?
Hmm... maybe I am a "real pro" after all.
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Mr. Fun
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Member # 352
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Anybody here see "The Aviator?" Remember that wonderful dinner scene when Howard Hughes is trying to explain what he does for a living? The elitists jerks at the table had contempt for him -- and he was a RICH guy!
The truth is, most don't understand people who have passion for what they do in life. Businessmen and women see artists as "irresponsible children" who need supervision. We've all seen that look of scorn and contempt on the faces of those who just don't get it. I don't envy them. Their pockets may be full -- but their hearts are empty.
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Ganklin
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Member # 1864
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mr. fun, it would seem to me that the most successful artists and animators (while they're still alive anyway) are also decent buiseness men. its important to be able to know when to push the boundries in order to grow, and to know when to pull back in order to keep operations going. to me at least, that's the fine line that paints a "professional"
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knowledge
IE # 258
Member # 462
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"I'm a lover - not a fighter"
as well as,
animator/director/producer
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knowledge
IE # 258
Member # 462
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Hey, you know what? If most of the vets here had gotten a smidgen of a percentage of a percentage of a point on the films they had worked on over the years, we'd all be posting in the "Buhzillionaires corner" of AnimationNation.
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knowledge
IE # 258
Member # 462
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Oh and that would make Mr. Fun a Quahzillionaire!!
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Ray Pointer
IE # 122
Member # 2499
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Also a "pro" can come up with original remarks and refrain from taking remarks from others out of context in order to diminish others and promote themselves.
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Ravenshoe
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That's called having a "thick skin".
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cpdavison
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Also a "pro" can come up with original remarks and refrain from taking remarks from others out of context in order to diminish others and promote themselves.
Even though nothing has been quoted "out-of-context" (it was quoted in toto and in the thread in which it was published) I will stand by my previous admission that I am not a "REAL animation professional."
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Graphiteman
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I will stand by my previous admission that I am not a "REAL animation professional."
..But do you at least play one on TV?
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Lee Crowe
IE # 154
Member # 1135
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Hey Mr. Fun!
Extremely delayed response -- but, yes, Scott and I were part of the whole animation in Jamaica plan. We all went out together and got our passport pictures taken together. I still have that picture; my eyes look funny for some reason...
So I think we should judge the worthiness of the posters on this site based on party survival abilities...
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Ray Pointer
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"Even though nothing has been quoted "out-of-context" (it was quoted in toto and in the thread in which it was published")
In Toto? Did the little dog eat it?
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Mr. Fun
IE # 63
Member # 352
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Ya mon!
Thank you, Lee Crowe. If only that Jamaican studio could have come to pass, what fun that would have been. We could animate all day -- and party all night.
I did enjoy Montego Bay, Kingston, and of course I got drunk in Ocho Rios. But that was all Leo's fault.
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Ray Pointer
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"If only that Jamaican studio could have come to pass, what fun that would have been. We could animate all day -- and party all night."
Oh, if only!!!! But getting back on topic, the original thread was how many professional cartoonists are posting here. I think Scott's question was very simple and direct. It was not intended to be a "witch hunt." Such overreactions
seem to be an indication of an insecurity on the part of non-artists.
Although my association with TAG (formerly the Motion Picture Screen Cartoonists Union), membership in the Animation Peer Group of The Academy of Television Arts and Sciences, and past membership in the Southern California Cartoonists Society, and have given me professional recognition, I am reserved in my claims at being a
"cartoonist" compared to others.
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Mr. Fun
IE # 63
Member # 352
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I had lunch with Scott on Friday. We're both amazed that this thread seems to have no end.
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fishmorg3
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Ray Pointer
But getting back on topic, the original thread was how many professional cartoonists are posting here. I think Scott's question was very simple and direct. It was not intended to be a "witch hunt." Such overreactions
Yyyyes, but let us not forget the insecurity of certain member wanting to use the question as a means to silence anyone saying anything he did not like. "Oh, did the doctor saw off the wrong leg? Excuse me, but are YOU a doctor? Huh, are ya, huh? Then SHUT UP!!"
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Ravenshoe
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Doctor! Doctor! It hurts when I do this!
So don't do that!
Bada-BOOM!
Anyone here from the great state of New Jersey?
I thought so. I'll remember to stand upwind from you next time!
Thank you. Thank you!
I'm here all week, ladies and gentlemen. Try the veal!
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LooseToon
IE # 216
Member # 1254
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I think I have the scale figured out now:
Feature Film Animation Professional - Your opinion is worth 100pts. Plus you're entitled to 3 uncontested "flames" per calendar year. Credited - add 5pts.
Pixar, Disney, Dreamworks - add 25pts.
Fox, Warners, Sony - add 15pts.
All others - add 10pts.
Direct-To-Video - No additional points.
Television Animation Professional - 75pts. 1 uncontested "flame". Credited - add 5pts.
Major Studio (US, Canada, abroad) - add 10pts
Direct-To-Video - No additional points.
Television Animation Professional using Flash - 65pts. Credited - add 5pts. (Hehe.... this is the category where I fall into... gotta be somewhat higher up on this bogus scale!)
Short Subject Animation Professional:
Award Winner/Nominee - 65 pts. Add 1pt each for multiple nominations.
Non Award Winner/Nominee - 50pts
Comics Industry Professional - 45 pts. Writer/Creator of stand alone title - add 5pts.
Web Animation Professional - 40pts.
All other Art/Animation Professionals - 35pts.
Animation Students - 25pts.
Award Winner/Nominee - add 3pts.
Animation Fans, Enthusiasts, Part-time Practitioners - 15pts.
Retired Professional from any of the above - Unlimited Points. You've done your duty! Thanks for all your hard work and enjoy!
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Ravenshoe
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LooseToon - A couple of additional categores - I'll leave the points distribution up to you.
Member of the IE
Television Animation Professional - Writer/Creator of a produced original series.
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Fishmorg3 - regarding your "doctor" analogy: If you offer a medical opinion and you're not a medical doctor -- sorry, but I don't want to hear it. You don't really know what you're talking about, now do you? Sure, offer an opinion - it's a free world. But don't expect people to sit up and take notice.
As far as chasing me all over the board, insulting me - that says a lot more about you than it does about me. And incidentally while we're at it, how about shelling out and joining the IE - if you're going to use the board, you might as well support it in a meaningful way.
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fishmorg3
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Gosh ravenshoe, I thought you were going to ignore me. I'm flattered that I merit your professional attention.
I did not mention you by name, ravenshoe. Truly it is written that the guilty run where no-one follows. Where's that ol' thick skin, eh?
Again, you want everyone who disagress with you to shut up on your say-so. Please, grow up.
It's real nice that you went out to get coffee for some animators or whatever you did, but that does not count for much when you hysterically rush to defend garbage like Loonatics. That renders your opinons null and void (in my opinion). You don't sound very professional to me.
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SoleilSmile
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This thread has gotten nasty. Nasty bad high things.
It's the first day of Spring today you guys. How going to to your favorite meadow and having a good roll around in the wild flowers? Doesn't that sound smurfy? Me and my dog are going hiking. So I when I return to this board tomorrow there had better be some happy spring posts a'ight?
P.S. No debates over whether spring begins the 20th or the 21st. Just go out and do something happy!
HOoo!
Happy Palm Sunday to those who follow that beleif.
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Mr. Fun
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Good advice. I'm headed for Santa Barbara where I can run on the beach in slo-mo -- just like in the movies.
Wheeeeeeeeee!
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OFFBEAT
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Speaking of which.. Steven Speilberg just bought the rights to Baywatch.
The fanboy dork in me is hoping there will be a Jaws crossover.
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