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toonedbob
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I'm not sure about those rumors - here are the numbers according to: http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/1999/TRZAN.html I think Tarzan was considered a success and I've never heard an animator blaming another animator or director for the increase of costs in budgets. Plus Glen was not part of all the Disney "flops" or hits so I don't see how he ruined it for the rest. Also from what it appears from Disney executive perspective, he is one of the ones they kept. I'm sur more people with inside information will inform us better.
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Mr. Fun
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Glen Keane is one of the most respected animators at Disney. The notion that any artist at Disney could cause massive cost over runs is ridiculous. Artists simply do not have that kind of power, and probably never will.
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Alane3
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I've see this same question asked all over AN, Ravenfoot. That people are actually asking it so often is a dire indication that something's gotta give. I've noticed that the climate here is one of bitterness and contempt. I think Disney has grown into a huge beast that can no longer see it's own--er--feet when it looks down.They need to restructure badly. Sooner or later they will realize that blaming the animators is like a painter blaming his canvas. It's the brains and sinews of the company that need to be addressed. Cutting off the artists is furthering the problem, not solving it. The only thing I can say for the artists is this: We gotta stay positive. You can't be defeated. We are the ones who must reach up and show the man on the mountain what's going on and how it can be fixed. We gotta make sure we keep our credibility so our voice will be respected. we gotta stick together at all costs. Christina
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Tahsin
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I was in Glen Keane's team on Tarzan, in the Paris studio. He was demanding and hard to please, but always a great inspiration. His mere presence filled us all with a compulsion to excel, and for a while there, that studio fairly crackled with the creative energy of which he was the centre. True, his perfectionism and his search, through us, for the essence of the Tarzan character might have cost the studio some pennies, but the truth remains that, even from a great distance, he was filling in most ably for the directors wherever they fell short. And the directors did fall short; whatever their merits as artists, they were just not up to the responsibility of a huge production like this, and the waste of time that ensued from their indecision, unclear briefs, and changing of minds must bear the greatest responsibility in the film's extensive production schedule. Many of the best, most successful sequences were boarded by Glen himself, strengthening weak situations and greatly improving the overall look and feel of the film.Another difficulty came from the layout department which, apparently in awe of the possibilities afforded by the new computer technologies, often forgot that some artist had to draw the character in, resulting in layouts that made the scenes almost impossible to animate, and to shoot and present on linetest. (Actually, I'm not talking specifically about "deep canvas" here, which I found fun to work with, but rather conventional layouts with camera moves inside the computer.) That was because of a communications breakdown that came from too rapidly developing technologies and too little interaction between members of different departments, leading to animation assignments that were more difficult and time-consuming than necessary. I hoped those problems would be ironed out afterwards.
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Dave is
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I would also like to remind those that would blame any artist that it is the MANAGEMENT that set the extreme artist prices that drove costs up (if you even believe the attists were where the money went instead of tossing money into wasted deadend holes )and not any artist . If price was all that was important than the responsability is on the buyer of those services to budget properly. Even if TP cost 100 million less it still would have been a failure financially. Even though it's cost was extreme the failure is not because of any artist though, it was because like many films ( 2D ,3D , Live Action) it failed to interest the public.
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Disnfan
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There's an inteview of Glen Keane in the January edition of French magazine AnimeLand. Glen talked about "the tons of experimental animations he made for The Black Cauldron that never saw the light of day, his resentment concerning the intrusion of people like Eisner in the studio during the 80's that led to a situation where you have 400 artists and 600 people in the administration. His 4 year experience in Paris [was] an attempt to escape the 'Disney machine.' He says 50 people is enough to make a great picture and laments over the obsession with realism in animation, the trend with CGI, the awkward situation of 'old school artists' (pencil). He finally says that there is his 'own film' that he's wanted to do for long, but came Tarzan and then Silver and now, there's nothing else coming up for him so it's time to do it. He doesn't say what is this film but adds: 'There are a few projects cooking in my head. Someday, it will be ready'."
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TracyMarkLee
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I'm not privy to what Glen Keane's paychecks read, but I know they are a nice chunk of change. I also know for a fact that they are still only a tiny fraction of what an actor like Nic Cage or John Travolta makes per film. I would say that Glen has a far better track record than most "actors" in any case. As was mentioned in here earlier, Glen brings much more to the table than just being a great animator...he's also a great story guy a great designer, a great teacher and above all a great inspiration. I had the fortune of working with him on a few projects alongside clean up king Bill Berg and the experience was immensely positive. Glen more than earns his salary.
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Tahsin
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I don't know if this should have been kept a secret, but Glen was at one time considering making a film about Beethoven (not the dog, but the composer), and I think that would have been extraordinary. Kindred spirits!
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Charles
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I recognized Glen Keane while he was sitting with a group of people, looked like students or young coworkers, while at Bob's Big Boy Restaurant in Burbank. Long time ago. Just after Eisner stepped in, about '85 I'd say.I went up to him and asked him if he was Glen Keane. He looked surprised that he would be known by a stranger. Talked with him for a little while. Impressed me as a genuine, sincere gentleman. Saw him also at an animation evening at Hollywood Presbyterian I think. A church auditorium that featured him, the writer of All Dogs Go To Heaven, a few other animation people. Around the Time of Rescuers Down Under. You know, I don't give a rat's ass about any negative jibe that may be whispered about Mr. Keane, my fellow maniacs. That's monkey propaganda at it's best. Or worst. Same difference. The man set a new standard for us all. The great, prolific character animator at its absolute finest. Successful, highly respected, much admired and so singularly talented he invigorated the entire Disney juggernaut. Best of the best. A master's master. He deserved everything he got and much, much more. I'd trade in every executive in this town for just one Glen Keane. The Babe Ruth of the Second Golden Age. I thank him for being a creative and personal inspiration.
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Fooksie
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Thanks , Charles. You said it much better than I could have.
-------------------- " Every move a picture! " Buddy Love
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nutsycat
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Amen to that, Charles. I'm sure that the Disney spin doctors see no problem giving millions to someone from live action like (to pick a name out of the hat) Dennis Quaid because "The Rookie" was a hit, but if you look at old Dennis' resume, you'll see that 90% of his films made no money. If you could pocket 10% of the gross of either Dennis Quaid's next film, or Glen Keane's next film, which would you choose? If you could pocket a percentage of revenue over the next 20 years, which would you choose? Yet it's easier to stiff an animator out of a fair cut, because they can't get on "Entertainment Tonight" to complain about it. (No slag on Quaid- milk 'em for every cent they got) The execs are desperate like a wounded beast now that the public is beginning to see how things are done in the back rooms. They'll be lashing out and slandering artists a lot more in the future. In a related area, I read in the paper recently that NHL execs have been blaming "skyrocketing hockey player salaries" (sound familiar?) for lack of revenue, yet when the books are looked at, player salaries make up 30% of expenses. I guess the execs will have to fire all the hockey players so people will tune in to see a big slab of empty ice, huh? Then they'll only have to worry about that other 70%. Silly monkeys!
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Altec
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I think Glen is a great guy. I was getting some ruff inbtwns checked by one of Glen's animators on T.P. when Glen walks into the office. I quickly leave the room so as not waste any of Glen's or animators time and didn't say a word. Later that night as I walked out to the elevator, Glen gets in with me and says "hi, you're so and so right?, I'm Glen Keane. I hear you're doing a nice job on the film. Hope we can work together in the future". Can you beat that! One the best animators in the world introducing himself to an inbetweener and then complimenting them. That my friends is a class act. That pretty much made up for everything negative I experienced at the mouse.
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JHBucktooth
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Glen's a great guy, a masterful artist, and I truly admire his unwavering dedication to quality. Every director knows Glen's involvement will boost the quality of any project a hundredfold. Yeah, I've heard he turns scenes that were timed out at 6 feet into 30 foot extravaganzas, that he routinely throws out layouts and draws his own, that his really-ruff ruffs can make a cleanup artist go postal, but that's a price most directors are willing to pay. "You can't have Falstaff, and have him thin".
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Charles
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Does his own layouts. Tough cleanups. By God, his scenes turn out incredible.
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BigFatPartyAnimal
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I just hope Glen sticks around there long enough for this storm to pass. I think it would be a HUGE blow for Disney to lose him.
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